Tim Schellberg 60 min

2020 DNA Hit of the Year: DNA Database Programs Help Solve More Crime


Tim Schellberg, President of Gordon Thomas Honeywell Government Affairs (GTH-GA), will discuss the cases and results of the 4th annual DNA Hit of the Year program. The DNA Hit of the Year is a global program designed to recognize the value of DNA database technology to solve and prevent crime. Every year, GTH-GA partners with an esteemed panel of international judges to review the case submissions and determine which case will be recognized. The program brings recognition to the use and expansion of national DNA databases so crime victims may receive the justice they deserve. The program also recognizes the extraordinary commitment of the forensic DNA scientists and criminal investigators who use DNA databases to ensure that justice is served. In this webinar you’ll hear about: • The benefits and policy considerations of incorporating Y-STR analysis and familial searching into a DNA database program • Case examples on how genetic genealogy is being used to not only identify criminals, but to exonerate, and identify human remains • The advantages of expanding national DNA databases with increased sample numbers



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DNA databases help solve more crime,

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Today, you will hear from Tim Schalberg,

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President of Gordon Thomas Honeywell Governmental Affairs,

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Without further ado, I'm going to hand it off to Tim

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to get us started.

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Thank you, Michelle.

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Very happy to be here at the Forensic Magazine webinar series

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sponsored by Thermo Fisher Scientific,

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giving the DNA hit of the year talk.

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Some of you may have already seen parts of this talk

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or heard about the results,

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'cause we gave it last June

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at the Thermo Fisher Scientific HID HIDS Conference.

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So anyway, for those of you that are not aware

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of the DNA hit of the year,

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we do this program for a variety of reasons.

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One is that we want to bring recognition

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to the crime labs, the police, the prosecutors,

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the court system, anybody involved in building

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and utilizing forensic DNA databases

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to catch criminals, prevent crime, exonerate the innocent.

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And not just the practitioners,

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but also the policymakers, the members of Congress,

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the legislators that are also passing these laws

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to build these databases and funding them as well.

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In addition to that,

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hit of the years about bringing awareness

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to the countries that currently do not have

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forensic DNA database programs.

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Right now there's an addition to the United States,

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about 58 other countries that have the database programs,

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but many countries don't.

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So with awareness around the world using real cases

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to show the value of DNA database programs,

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we tend to see action, action in countries to pass laws,

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to fund programs and to speed up implementation

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to bring these databases to these countries.

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So these are the reasons that we bring DNA hit of the year

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to the world each year.

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So this year, the criteria is the same,

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it's been the previous three years,

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and it's basically cases are accepted

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that have a cold hit against some sort of a database

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within the last 60 months.

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And even with the pandemic going on,

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we saw 50 cases submitted from 20 countries

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to the program this year.

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Gordon Thomas Honeywell took our knowledge of the program

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or the forensic DNA to take these 50 cases

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and narrow them down to the top 17.

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We then provided the top 17 cases

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over to a panel of international judges,

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seven judges who you'll meet in a moment, moment.

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And they took the 17 cases and independently reviewed them

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and ranked them one through 17.

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And from there we took the top six

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and we handed them back to the judges

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and the judges got on international conference call,

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added discussion and ranked the cases one through seven

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with the top case being the 2020 hit of the year.

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So here are our judges from 2020.

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We have Jodi Heinz from Orange County Prosecutor's Office,

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Walter Parsons from the Institute of Legal Medicine

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at University of Innsbruck, Ronaldo Hinneney,

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who is the Crime Lab Director

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for the country of the Philippines,

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Nagtis Polnica, the DNA leader from the country of Poland,

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Mauricio Hernandez, who is the Crime Lab Director

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from the country of Costa Rica,

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Chris Sin, who is the DNA leader

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from the country of Singapore and Rock Harmon,

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a retired Alameda County California prosecutor.

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So this year, there were many different themes

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coming to us in the cases.

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It wasn't just a typical, have a hit against an unknown,

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or a crime scene unknown suspect against the database,

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but there were many other types of DNA matches as well,

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such as familial searching, genetic genealogy,

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missing persons, YSDRs, and many more.

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So what I'm gonna do now,

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I'm going to go through some of the cases

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that did not end up in the top six,

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and we'll talk about some of the common themes

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from these cases.

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We'll then move into the top six cases

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and go in more detail in those cases

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and end with the 2020 hit of the year.

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So we'll do that for about the next 40 minutes.

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So the first case I'm gonna mention

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deals with the subject matter of familial searching.

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And this case came to us from Billaball, Sweden.

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This is a very small, nice little town on the Swedish coast.

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An eight-year girl was riding her bike after school

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in this small village, and she was abducted

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and sexually assaulted in the woods.

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Really impacted this town.

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They investigated, it was a top investigated case,

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this region of Sweden for many years.

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Very traumatic thing to happen in a small town like this.

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They tried every type of DNA effort available.

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Unfortunately, they never got a match in their databases.

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And then they decided to start talking

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about familial searching.

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However, Sweden didn't allow familial searching.

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And eventually the parliament there decided to allow it.

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And they created a program very similar

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to the United Kingdom where they apply to a national board

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that reviews the application to do familial searching.

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They monitor the process throughout the whole process

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to control against privacy interests,

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to control for privacy interests.

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And the parliament eventually passed this law

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at the end of 2018.

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And this case was one of the first cases approved

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by their national board to go to familial searching.

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And when it did, it matched immediately

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to somebody in the Swedish database

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bringing an end to this case.

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Another familial searching case I wanna mention

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is a little bit different.

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In Dubai, as you may know,

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they do have a pretty low crime rate there,

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but when they do have a crime,

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they have an incredible DNA lab with incredible people

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that they go crazy on DNA.

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They do the autosomal,

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then they move to Mito, they do YSTRs, they do everything.

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And in this case, there was a brutal sexual assault

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and they did all that and they had no results.

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They then moved to familial searching and ran it

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against their database and produced a candidate list.

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But since they had already done YSTRs

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on the crime scene sample,

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they decided to add YSTR, a layer of YSTRs,

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onto their candidates.

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It hit to one of them, that became the prime suspect

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and that's actually who committed the crime.

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So just an interesting case,

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there are blending of familial searching with YSTRs

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that I thought I would mention.

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The next group of cases,

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I call them the extremism murder cases that were submitted.

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This first one was the murder of a very popular politician

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in Hessen, Germany, very left leading politician,

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somebody that's not gonna do his home and executed him.

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Basically an assassination.

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When the crime lab folks came to the crime scene,

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there was no evidence.

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But fortunately, Germany has perfected this process

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they call hot flake, which is basically taking tape,

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going around the clothes of the individual

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and looking for skin cells.

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And they did this apparently 1,000 times,

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they found 1,000 different types of skin cells.

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And unfortunately, only one of them had enough DNA on it

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to yield a profile.

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But fortunately, one was enough.

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When it was matched to the database,

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it hit upon somebody that is a known member

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of the Neo-Nazi party,

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and he is now in a trial for this assassination.

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The next case under the same regard

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is a case out of Jerusalem, Israel,

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where somebody crossed into the country

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and murdered a 19 year old girl walking in the forest.

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On this case really though is about speed.

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Within 24 hours of the body being found,

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the crime lab there obtained DNA, tested the DNA,

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got a match in the database

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and the police arrested their suspect.

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And fortunately, when they arrested him,

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they understood his motive.

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He declared that he came into Israel that night

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to commit a hate crime and murder a Jewish person.

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So, but again, this case is really about speed.

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And you look also at Israel,

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they're very similar in perhaps like California.

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They collect DNA from everybody, convicted, arrested,

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giving them a very high hit rate,

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which allows them to solve crimes like this.

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The next category we'll look at is some cases

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dealing with missing persons.

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So here in 1970, there was a house fire

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in rural Minnesota in which a young woman died.

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They found remains.

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Later that month, an 18 year old girl

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from the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis,

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was reported missing by her family.

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It was 1970.

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They didn't really have the criminal information systems

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at that time and these cases went on independently

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as two separate mysteries.

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In 2013, the brother of the missing university girl

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learned about our missing persons program

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and the national program that we have

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to identify missing persons.

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So he lobbied his parents and told them they should

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submit DNA to the national database

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and to see if maybe along the ways

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the their daughters remains were submitted to the program

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and they could get a match and bring her home.

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Unfortunately, there was no remains to match to

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and there was not a match.

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In 2016, the law enforcement interests

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in that rural area of Minnesota decided to go test

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the remains from that 1970 house fire.

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And when they did, it matched the parents

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to put their DNA in the database in 2013

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and this brought a great result and ends to this mystery.

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However, I raised some questions about this case.

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It's not just this case, but perhaps a problem

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throughout the United States is what took so long.

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So if you look at the 1970 house fire,

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we had a missing persons program going back into 2000.

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Why didn't they test those remains earlier

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and try to get a match?

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And why didn't the brother have to be the one

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to tell his 80 year old parents to submit DNA?

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Shouldn't there be a government entity

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that looks at these missing persons cases

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and encourages the family to participate

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in the national program?

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It just doesn't exist in the United States

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and it probably doesn't exist in many other countries as well.

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And I bring you some statistics from the United States

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to make the point.

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Right now, there are 40,000 human remains

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sitting in evidence and medical examiners' offices

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throughout the country.

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But we only have 13,000 human remains uploaded

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to the National Missing Database person into end this.

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Shouldn't it be closer to 40,000?

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In addition to that, we only have 15,000 families uploaded

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to end this.

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Shouldn't it be not just the 40,000 missing people

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that are the remains they have

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or parents are probably looking for them,

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but what about the millions of people

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that have gone missing over the last 20, 30 years?

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So I think the problem here is that we simply

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don't have a focus on it.

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And what we need is a national institute

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or something that would encourage the laws,

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the policies and the funding to make it so when a person

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goes missing in the United States,

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there's action to get them into the database, their family.

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And also when there's human remains,

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there's funding and a process to get those human remains

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into the database.

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So I think it's time to start thinking about that United

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States.

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So let's take a look at a genetic genealogy case.

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So this case, in 1979, human remains

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that are chopped up and mummified were found in a lava

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tube in Roidaho.

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They then puts those remains into the national database

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with no matches.

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And in 2019, they decided to apply it to GEDmatch.

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They did.

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They got some matches.

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And after 2,000 hours of genealogical research,

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they found that those remains belong to an 87-year-old--

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the grandson of somebody that's 87 years old.

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And when they interviewed him, he had quite the tale

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to talk about.

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One, they said that my grandfather was not a very nice person.

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He murdered my grandmother with an axe.

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He then got on escape, fled town, and they went after him.

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And but a vigilante squad got a hold of him first,

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his rumor had it.

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And apparently that was the end of it.

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But now the mystery is solved because in those lava tubes,

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they found the result of the vigilante squad

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that murdered him.

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The next cases I want to talk about deal

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with the subject of exoneration.

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So 1976, in Flint United Kingdom, a young girl

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was sexual assault that had murdered.

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There were two suspects in the case.

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One was a young man, I believe, only about 16 or 17 years old

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that didn't speak any English that

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ended up confessing to the crime after an intense interrogation.

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The other suspect, they let go because they didn't

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have enough information.

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So this suspect, the one that confessed,

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spent about 20 years in prison.

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And then in recent day, the United Kingdom

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decided to open back up this case with the DNA

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from the sexual assault and go after that second suspect.

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But when they ran the DNA, it didn't

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match the second suspect.

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In addition to that, it didn't match the young man that

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was convicted that spent 20 years in prison.

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However, it did match somebody else that was already

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in the United Kingdom database.

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So this really had a good result.

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It found the correct person and it exonerated two.

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But I want to talk about the policy of exonerations

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with DNA databases because I don't think it gets enough attention.

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I think in this case, it's the type of case

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we're used to seeing in the United States with the Innocence

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Project.

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They go in.

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They try to get somebody out of prison that didn't do it.

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And it's a great result.

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But what about the value of the databases

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to further exonerate?

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And it happens every day.

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Because when you have a strong database that

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hits at a high hit rate, like we're

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getting the United States, California's hit rates nearing

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50% now.

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Because they're collecting DNA from everybody,

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convicted and arrested.

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But when you do that, think about what happens.

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Police, they get the-- rather than rallying up

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the main suspects they want to look at and talk to them

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and interrogate them and under the threat of being arrested,

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they don't do that anymore.

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Because with a high hit rate with DNA databases,

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you find the right person quickly

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and you spare these usual suspects, this interrogation,

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which may lead to arrests and even convictions.

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So that's how we exonerate.

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I also think with the introduction of rapid DNA,

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it takes it to the next step.

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When rapid DNA is fully deployed in our country,

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imagine how we will even further exonerate.

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For example, in a property crime right now,

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what typically happens is law enforcement,

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they have a property crime, like a home burglary.

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They might go interview these three or four people,

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make them feel threatened that there are suspects.

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But with rapid DNA, you'd be able to take that DNA sample

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from the window, the blood on the window where they broke in,

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go to the station, run the test,

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and 90 minutes they'll get a hit.

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And therefore, these usual suspects, again,

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won't be interrogated.

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And that's how we see how rapid DNA is really going

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to help with the exoneration objective.

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For the interest of time, I won't mention this case.

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But let's wrap up the non-top six cases

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with just some highlights from the program.

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So this case, we call it the power of Froum.

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There were rapes taking place in Czech Republic,

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Germany, and Poland.

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And then a Polish person was convicted,

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went into the Polish database,

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and because of the Froum Treaty,

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where all the European countries are linked

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to the databases throughout Europe,

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they were able to link these crimes and solve the crimes,

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not just in Poland, but in Germany and Czech Republic.

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It's a reminder of how valuable these international sharing

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database programs are.

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Froum led the way in many other regions of the world

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are now looking at doing similar things.

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This case, we call it criminals aren't always smart.

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So here's a guy in the United Kingdom

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that staked out a jewelry store in some type of a mall setting.

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And he tunneled in, and unfortunately for him,

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he took the wrong term because we wanted to go

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into the jewelry store that he scoped out

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that he knew did not have a CCTV camera.

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But in the tunneling process, he went the wrong way.

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He ended up in a shop that did have a CCTV camera.

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When he came through the tunnel, he pushed himself through.

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The camera caught exactly where he touched.

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They swabbed the DNA and arrested him.

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And of course, it's the United Kingdom,

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which has the highest hit rate in the world of about 65%,

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70% sometimes.

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And that's how they identified him.

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Here's a case in Colorado that's really kind of a creepy case.

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This individual committed a stranger rape on a woman.

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And then years later befriended her,

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unbeknownst to her that he was the rapist,

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got to a position where he moved in with her.

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And then he got arrested for a burglary

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because Colorado takes DNA upon burglaries.

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And he matched to the stranger rape.

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And the woman is pretty traumatized

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after she realized what was going on.

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So it's just a very unusual case.

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The last case I'll mention here, or actually there's two,

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Guatemala has been the recipient of international programs

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the last five years to build up their DNA lab

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and to help them train their people.

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And it's become a very, very respected laboratory.

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And just in time too, because they

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had a big eruption down there a few years ago

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that wiped out a whole village.

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And they used that knowledge from this international training

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and infrastructure building to go out and really attack

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that disaster site.

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And we're able to identify today 60 identifications

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from this DVI effort.

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And finally, the case in Brazil to mention here

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is they're like the United States.

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They're really growing and focusing

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on their sexual assault backlogs.

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They went out and tested a number of hundreds

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and even thousands of these old rape kits.

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And when they did, they put this individual under database

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and it hit 31 times to that recent rape kit backlog program.

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So 31 rape solved this one match.

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So with that, let us move now to a review of the final six

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cases.

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We had the final six of the judges selected.

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Recase is from Brazil, California USA, France, China,

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Washington State USA, and another California USA case.

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So the judges ranked them and they put them one through six.

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And so we'll start the review at the sixth place case.

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And this is the murder of Jane Hilton in 1985

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and the exoneration of Ricky Davis in 2018.

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The murders happened.

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The murder happened in Elder Otto Hills, California,

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which is basically a suburb of the Sacramento area.

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So in 1985, Jane Hilton was murdered

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and she had three roommates there,

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didn't get any evidence, didn't get any confessions,

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and the case goes cold.

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In 1999, the case was reopened and the investigators

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focused on the three roommates.

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And their theory was that Ricky Davis committed

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the murder and Connie Dahl held her down

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and bit her in the back because that's--

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in addition to being stabbed, Jane Hilton

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had a bite mark on her back.

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And they did a very intensive interrogation of Connie Dahl.

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And basically, she said, yep, he did it.

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I held her down.

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And that's what they needed to arrest Ricky Davis.

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And he went to prison for this case.

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Even though there was no DNA testing done in 1999

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on that bite mark, and we'll come back to that in a minute.

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So because the Ricky Davis maintained his innocence

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and the DNA looking for DNA from that bite mark

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was never done, the Innocence Project in California

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smelled a rat on this one and decided to take on the case

23:15

and try to get Ricky Davis exonerated.

23:19

So they worked actually quite diligently

23:21

with the Sacramento Crime Lab to go after that bite mark DNA

23:25

because they believe that if the DNA would be somewhere

23:28

on the nightgown she was wearing,

23:30

and if they could see that the DNA does not match Connie Dahl,

23:34

then they know-- or Ricky Davis, they know it was neither of them.

23:39

And her confession was coerced, which put Ricky into prison.

23:43

So sure enough, they worked to get that DNA,

23:47

touch DNA off that nightgown.

23:51

And it did not match Ricky Davis.

23:53

But because they didn't know who committed the crime,

23:57

and because the way our judicial system works,

23:59

they weren't going to let them out of prison,

24:01

but they were going to give them a new trial.

24:03

But they didn't want to wait.

24:04

The Innocence Project didn't want to wait on that.

24:06

So they tried genetic genealogy to find the real killer,

24:09

which would allow Ricky Davis out of prison before a new trial.

24:15

Sure enough, they got a hit in Gen Match,

24:18

worked the genealogy research, and they ended up

24:21

finding the true killer in this case, which is this individual.

24:25

And as a result, Ricky Davis was led out of prison

24:28

just this past February.

24:30

So that's an amazing case.

24:31

I think some of you are probably wondering

24:33

why such an amazing case ended up number six on the list,

24:37

not why it wasn't in the top few.

24:39

And I think a lot of it has to do with this previous work

24:43

by the prosecutors, the old generation of prosecutors

24:45

that are no longer there.

24:47

They had DNA under the fingernails.

24:49

They knew about the bite mark.

24:53

Why didn't they go after the bite mark DNA?

24:55

And I think what happened is the judges started to question

24:58

how good of a job they did 20-some years ago,

25:01

and therefore it weighed on their decision

25:03

to give them a higher ranking in this case.

25:05

So just to give you some political inner workings

25:09

of how the judges think about these cases.

25:12

So the fifth place case is the 1991 sexual assault

25:16

of Sarah Yarbow, who's from Federal Way,

25:19

which is basically a suburb of Seattle,

25:21

which is actually just up the street

25:23

from where I'm coming to you today.

25:25

So Sarah Yarbow is a 16-year-old student,

25:30

and I had a lot going for her.

25:32

She was attacked on the school grounds early in the morning

25:35

and murdered, and her body left there on the school grounds.

25:38

Very traumatic, of course, not just to her family,

25:42

but to community, but to those students

25:44

that had her classmates that had her killed

25:48

on the school grounds.

25:51

They had a full profile in this case,

25:54

but never a hidden codus.

25:57

They were the first case to try YSTR surnames

26:00

searching back in 2011 in the United States

26:03

that we're aware of, and they had a very promising lead here.

26:07

The YSTR matched to the Fuller family,

26:10

and there was a very good friend of the Fuller family

26:13

that was frequently over at the house.

26:15

They thought they had solved this case.

26:17

However, when they did the autosomals,

26:19

it did not match this suspect.

26:22

And what happened was the true murder in this case,

26:25

this person's grandfather was a Fuller,

26:27

but he got adopted out of the family,

26:29

so they couldn't find him as they worked the way up

26:34

for the two additional Fuller's.

26:38

In 2019, they decided to pursue genetic genealogy.

26:42

They got hits in GEDmatch within six weeks of research.

26:45

They found the true killer.

26:47

Just something to mention here, though, is that it's really kind of sad,

26:50

because this case could have been solved many years earlier

26:53

if the Washington state legislature would have been more aggressive

26:56

about their DNA database law.

26:58

Here are the three missed opportunities.

27:00

He was on parole when he killed Sarah for another sex crime.

27:07

However, the Washington state legislature

27:10

did not require parolees to go into the database,

27:13

so if they would have, they would have caught him right after the murder.

27:18

Secondly, he was arrested for a rape after the murder of Sarah,

27:25

but he pled down to a sexual-motivated misdemeanor,

27:29

which the legislature at the time did not require to go into the database,

27:33

so they missed him again.

27:34

Finally, the Washington state policy prevents the use of familial searching.

27:39

His brother was in the database for a sexual assault,

27:44

and he would have matched in a familial search right away, of course.

27:48

Again, just a reminder that the policies and legislation of the state

27:53

legislatures

27:53

really do control whether or not you're allowed to confine somebody like this

27:58

and get them off the street.

28:00

So this case, many others used forensic genealogy,

28:04

and I just thought we'd spend a moment talking about where we're headed

28:08

with the use of forensic genealogy.

28:10

I look at forensic genealogy, and the GEDMATCH system is like this magic portal

28:15

that we all saw a couple years ago,

28:18

and all these cases that would never have been solved,

28:22

but for this portal, the GEDMATCH created started to be solved every week.

28:27

And remember it a couple years ago, you'd see these cases, these amazing cases

28:31

that caused huge problems were now being solved.

28:37

Now, the portal kind of closed when GEDMATCH changed its policy,

28:41

but there's other databases building to take its place,

28:44

and GEDMATCH will eventually get built back up,

28:47

and law enforcement will continue to get some great hits against the genetic

28:52

genealogy.

28:53

But where are we going?

28:54

I think where we're headed with genetic genealogy is that

28:58

we've kind of been through these old cases that have never been solved,

29:02

that had DNA, and the bulk of them have now been solved.

29:05

But I think we're going to start moving to a day forward system, like a plan B.

29:09

If you don't get a hit in CODIS, and it's a serious crime,

29:13

like a homicide, stranger rape, you go to plan B, which is genetic genealogy.

29:17

So I think that's, it's going to have a permanent place in law enforcement

29:22

as this plan B environment for future cases going forward.

29:26

So let's now talk about the fourth place case,

29:30

a crazy case from Guangzhou, China, 2008,

29:34

a mother and her daughter were in an upscale condo in downtown Guangzhou.

29:40

A criminal entered the condo to commit a home invasion,

29:46

and it went wrong, and he ended up killing both the mother and daughter,

29:51

now the police came, of course, they got the DNA, that a full profile,

29:55

and they put it in the massive Chinese database, if you don't know,

29:59

China has about 50 million people in their autosomal database,

30:04

the largest in the world by far.

30:06

Currently we have about 85, 90 million people in our databases globally,

30:11

and China makes up about half of them. Kind of gives you some context to have a

30:14

large it is.

30:15

In addition to that, China has also built, just in the last 10 years,

30:19

a YSTR database of between 2010 and 2020,

30:26

10 million people are in that YSTR database.

30:30

So the reality is, is when they have DNA in China,

30:34

they're likely going to eventually get a mash, not the autosomal database,

30:38

somehow through the YSTR database, and so that's what happened in this case.

30:42

So they of course have the DNA, the YDNA from the crime scene,

30:47

and this individual June got added to the database his wise in 2019,

30:52

and it matched to the crime scene.

30:55

However, the autosomal didn't match, so they knew he wasn't the killer,

30:58

so during any normal YSTR investigation, they did the next thing,

31:03

which is to go to the parent or the father in any of his uncles, and there were

31:08

five.

31:09

So they checked their YSTR autosomal's DNA,

31:16

and it did not match.

31:18

However, they found a pretty curious thing going on,

31:21

is that the father, the five uncles, June and the killer, all were half

31:26

siblings.

31:27

So that really raised their eyebrows, they kind of suspected what was happening

31:31

here, so they went to the grandfather of June, and the mother of June,

31:36

and concluded they were the ones that created the killer,

31:41

and this was a secret child in the family that nobody knew about,

31:44

and they put them up for adoption.

31:46

They followed the adoption records, and eventually were led to arresting this

31:50

individual in the Guangzhou airport, and solved this case.

31:53

So, very interesting case using YSTRs.

31:58

The third place case is the serial impicide case from Woodland, California,

32:04

a suburb of the Bay Area, and in this case, it's a very creepy case.

32:10

It's 2007, the remains of an infant boy were found submerged in a metal chest,

32:18

and he was killed in 1997, and he had blunt force trauma to his skull,

32:24

and they knew that he was a homicide victim.

32:28

So in 2018, they tried to go, they put the missing,

32:36

the human remains in the missing persons database, and did not get a match.

32:41

In 2018, the police, the prosecutor, the sheriff,

32:45

decided to go into a request to California state,

32:50

"We know we can, California allows familial searching for against crime scenes

32:55

against the convicted and arrestee offender database,

32:57

but they did not have a process for allowing missing persons to be compared."

33:01

So they worked that process and got permission to do it,

33:04

and when they did it, they hit to the father of the infant's remains,

33:10

who happened to be in prison and in fact, actually going to be let out in just

33:15

a few days.

33:16

He would not admit to who the child was, so what they did, they got very

33:21

creative.

33:22

They decided to go after the heel prick cards that are kept in the hospitals

33:26

for all the children born to this individual and present a court order to do

33:32

this,

33:32

and the judge allowed it. For the first time I'm aware, a judge in the United

33:36

States,

33:36

maybe there's some others that I'm not aware of, but it's a rare event,

33:39

allows police to go get those heel prick cards.

33:42

And when they did that, they tested those heel prick cards,

33:45

and one of them did match to the body found in 2007.

33:51

And so they charged him for murder of those remains.

33:54

But as I said, this is a very unfortunate case.

33:59

In addition to that, they found that he had four other children born to him

34:05

that have never been heard of since the day they were born.

34:08

So they now believe that he's involved in inficide of all five of these

34:12

children

34:13

in this case is moving on. You'll probably hear more about this case

34:17

in the coming years as it moves to trial.

34:20

So that leaves us with two finalist cases.

34:24

If you haven't heard who the winner was, from when you announced it at

34:28

the conference in June, the winner of the 2020 hit of the year was the Brazil

34:35

case.

34:36

However, I want to mention the French case before we get into the details of

34:41

the Brazil case.

34:42

And so let's go through the French case.

34:45

So this case, 1987, they call it the little martyr of the 810 motorway,

34:50

a beautiful little five or six year old girl was found on the side of the road

34:55

with her blanket. And she had been badly beaten over the years.

35:00

They could tell from the way her body had been bones that had broken and healed

35:05

She had human bite marks on her body. She had been scolded with an iron

35:11

numerous times.

35:12

And in this case really became the focus of this community and even throughout

35:17

France

35:17

during that time. They wanted to know who she was and where she came from.

35:22

So in 2000 or excuse me, 1993, when DNA got its legs, they exhumed the body

35:29

and to see if they can get any matches in the databases and they didn't.

35:34

They then tried, they were one of the first cases, I believe in Europe,

35:38

if not elsewhere, to do phenotypic snips 2008.

35:41

It was a long time ago to be cranking out phenotypic snips, but they did it

35:45

and they were able to determine that the girl was a North African ancestry.

35:54

2013, as touch DNA technology developed, they were able to get DNA off the

36:01

blanket

36:02

and got a profile for her sibling.

36:07

And the good thing is that the French policy allowed crime scene samples like

36:12

this, whereas probably not the killer because it was a young child's DNA from the

36:16

sibling. They allowed it into the database and it's a good thing they did because in

36:21

2017,

36:22

that sibling was convicted of an assault and went into the French database

36:27

and matched to the blankets and therefore gave the investigators the ability to

36:32

track down the parents.

36:33

And what they determined was the mother is the one that did it and she is now

36:38

under trial for neglect and murder.

36:41

So, really sad case out of France, very interesting case that got the DNA

36:48

result.

36:49

So, the 2020 DNA hit of the year is a case that's called and known throughout

36:56

the world

36:56

is the robbery of the century that happened on April 24, 2017.

37:02

It actually happened in Paraguay, however, the crime was committed by Brazil

37:07

ians

37:07

and investigated by the Brazilian federal police.

37:11

So, CO Dodd-Dell Estee Paraguay is where the crime happened and it's a place

37:16

that's actually right on the border

37:19

separated by rivers of Paraguay, Brazil, and Argentina.

37:24

It's also home for the world famous iguanzo falls, the largest waterfalls in

37:31

the world.

37:32

It was committed by this group called the PCC, it's Brazil's largest criminal

37:38

organization.

37:39

They have 20,000 criminal members, they're active in most Brazilian states.

37:44

They focused on illicit drug trafficking and big tists like the one we're about

37:48

to learn about.

37:49

They rule over the large infamous favelas in Brazil and one of our judges even

37:55

said,

37:55

"This is a real problem throughout Latin America. This is the way they live.

37:59

They have these large criminal organizations and it's part of their society."

38:03

And it's unfortunate that they're committing crimes like this.

38:06

So, here was the, what happened, the gang of 50 heavily armed individual went

38:14

after a transit facility

38:16

in Paraguay, $40 million that was stashed there.

38:20

They committed a military-style raid, blew up the building, took the safes, and

38:26

tried to get away with the money.

38:27

They created a path of destruction as they left town and they ended with a

38:31

three-hour shootout

38:32

with the Brazilian federal police.

38:35

So, you can imagine the crime scenes here, there were actually three of them.

38:40

They had the staging house where all 50 criminals met to get ready for the

38:45

assault.

38:46

They had the bomb blast where they blew up the building and took the money and

38:52

then they had the three-hour shootout.

38:54

That's where the DNA came from. From these crime scenes, they had 457 pieces of

39:01

evidence.

39:02

You can imagine how stressful that is. I imagine most of you on the webinar

39:06

today are crime-lab officials.

39:07

If you had a call saying that there's 557 pieces of evidence heading your way,

39:13

I think that would pretty much be a very stressful moment.

39:16

And they had, from this evidence, they found DNA, touched DNA from the

39:22

abandoned vehicles

39:23

and boats. They had DNA throughout the staging house on utensils.

39:27

They had DNA on weapons and explosives and bullets and blood from the shootout

39:33

with the police.

39:34

In addition to that, they also had, from the shootout, three suspects were

39:40

killed, so they had the DNA from them.

39:42

And they had eight suspects they captured at the shootout and they had DNA from

39:46

them.

39:47

So all in all, they had 47 pieces or a crime scene profiles developed from

39:53

these 570 pieces of evidence

39:55

and they had their 11 suspects DNA from the 11 suspects.

39:59

They put this into CODIS and to give you a sense of the CODIS system in Brazil.

40:05

It's the second largest installation of CODIS throughout other than the United

40:10

States.

40:10

It's just like the United States. Each state has their own CODIS and it uploads

40:18

to a national database. They do not have a large database at the moment. Although the law has passed

40:22

now for quite some time,

40:23

they really have an implemented it very quickly.

40:25

The new president came in very tough on crime and they're starting to really go

40:29

after DNA,

40:30

but currently they only have 70,000 offenders in their database, which means

40:35

their hit rate at the moment is going to be low.

40:38

So we'll talk about that.

40:40

So when they added these crime scenes and uploaded into CODIS, which were 47

40:47

crime scene profiles on the 11 offenders,

40:50

this is what happened. Nine of the 11 offenders, they were able to match back

40:54

to the bomb blast so they could place them there.

40:56

So that was good.

40:58

And when they put the 47 crime scene profiles in, 14 of them matched to other

41:05

crimes throughout the country,

41:06

and serious crimes too, for example. One was to the murder of a federal agent.

41:10

The other was to a similar heist of $28 million from a Brinks car heist.

41:16

But there were no matches to the database, right? Because as I mentioned, the

41:20

hit rate is going to be low with only 70,000 offenders currently in it.

41:24

However, with this investment of DNA going on in Brazil, those hits are

41:29

eventually going to come because these gang members are going to go into the

41:32

database.

41:33

And that's what's been happening. So in June of 2018, they had their first

41:38

match, March 19, their second match again in July, and again in March 2020.

41:45

Our guess is, is that is the investment in DNA goes up and we start to see the

41:49

DNA database go from 70,000 up towards a million.

41:53

You're eventually probably going to get most of these 47 people will match into

41:56

the database. And that's what this case is about.

42:00

The judges really liked that. When they chose this case to be the first case

42:05

for the hit of the year, they also recognized the burden on the crime lab and

42:09

how they professionally worked through all those samples to develop profiles.

42:14

So, and finally, the judges liked the idea that this case DNA was being used in

42:20

this large, these against these large gangs, which is a great way to solve

42:25

crime and the use of the database.

42:27

So that is why the judges awarded this case, the 2020 hit of the year. Now,

42:33

when we have the announcement of the hit of the year at the his conference at

42:37

Thermo Fisher Scientific, we usually fly in the crime lab people to accept the

42:43

award and we give them a nice plaque.

42:45

But with the pandemic this year, we were unable to do that, but we got creative

42:49

. So we decided to have a zoom call. We're invited all the, the people involved

42:54

in the case, the leaders of the case to accept the plaque. And we actually have

42:58

a picture of them accepting the award.

43:01

These are both the police officers and also the crime lab leaders that worked

43:06

on the case. So with that, I am going to just give some acknowledgments. First

43:11

of all, thank you to everybody in Brazilian teams that submitted the case.

43:16

I also want to thank the DNA hit of the year judges. It's a lot of work. They

43:21

have to review a lot of cases to be a judge and they did a great job and also

43:26

Kyle Schroeder and Hannah Jones from from Ford and Thomas Honeywell that did a

43:32

lot of the legwork on this, this year's case or hit of the year program.

43:35

And finally, Thermo Fisher Scientific, they're the ones that sponsor us to put

43:40

on the hit of the year each year and it couldn't be done without them. It's a,

43:44

it's a big effort. So thank you Thermo Fisher.

43:47

Thank you forensic magazine and back over to you Michelle for any questions.

43:53

Thanks.

43:54

Tim for that great information and insight. Audience, it is almost time for the

44:02

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44:06

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44:17

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44:35

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44:44

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45:16

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are on to the Q&A portion of our broadcast. So, Tim, we still got you on the

46:00

line.

46:00

Yep, thanks, Michelle. I'm here.

46:03

Really great. All right, well, we have some questions because that are coming

46:07

in. So our first one is, you know, you mentioned during the presentation that

46:11

not many state and countries allow familial searching.

46:15

What are your thoughts on how many more cases could be resolved if familial

46:21

searching was indeed allowed?

46:23

Sure. Well, I think there would be a significant amount of cases, particularly

46:28

in the countries with large per capita databases.

46:32

So, you know, for example, United Kingdom that has 10% of its population in the

46:38

database, or many of the states in the United States, California being the

46:43

largest, which I believe is getting close to maybe even 5%.

46:47

So when you have that many people in the database, during your familial search,

46:52

you're going to yield a high candidate list. And if you have the right

46:56

processes in place to take advantage of that, meaning the investigation group

47:01

in place to go out and look at those candidates to determine if, if any of them

47:07

are suspects, you will solve a lot of crime.

47:12

So the real trick though, in my view, to have a successful familial searching

47:18

program are the privacy controls that the government's put in place.

47:23

And I think that the United Kingdom is the one that I've seen do it the best,

47:28

where whenever they do a familial search, they have criteria.

47:33

And, for example, it must be a last resort, a number of times must be passed.

47:39

But the real key, I believe, is the government board they put in place, where

47:44

the police actually apply to a government-run commission of sorts made up of

47:49

the public plus government officials that look at the request of familial

47:54

searching and then monitor it during the process to take note of all the

47:59

privacy issues and make sure it's being done very carefully.

48:02

So anyway, so yeah, the simple answer is yes.

48:06

If you do familial searching, you're going to solve a lot of crimes.

48:11

And the cases that are solved that's familial searching, as you can see in this

48:16

talk and many others, are significant crimes.

48:20

Absolutely.

48:21

Okay.

48:22

No, do you think rapid DNA can make DNA databases more effective?

48:29

Oh, absolutely.

48:31

And it does so on a number of levels.

48:33

First of all, it's just the sheer time, right?

48:36

So if you, in the FBI's vision program of booking station rapid DNA, where you

48:44

're putting the rapid devices in law enforcement agencies, so when the person

48:49

comes in to be fingerprinted and photographed, they're also going to be swabbed

48:55

as opposed and the test run there with an answer in 90 minutes.

48:58

As opposed to being mailed to the lab and an answer within weeks or perhaps

49:03

even months.

49:04

So you will get an answer if they hit in the database in your estus or, in some

49:09

cases, endis as well within 90 minutes.

49:13

So you'll get more efficiency of identifying criminals much more quickly.

49:18

But the other side too is that with rapid, you doing the booking station DNA,

49:25

you take that away from the crime lab so they can put all their emphasis, not

49:31

just on the simple reference DNA samples, but the emphasis on case work.

49:37

And we know that crime labs, because the resources fall behind on the ability

49:42

to case work done, so you'll be able to have more resources in the crime lab to

49:47

work on case work, get those backlogs down, making the hits more efficient.

49:51

So at a number of levels, rapid DNA will make our databases more efficient.

49:57

Gotcha, absolutely.

49:59

Okay, what type of programs would you recommend to get more reference samples

50:06

collected and analyzed for all the missing person cases?

50:11

You know, I think I brought this up during that case for Minnesota today, right

50:17

, where it was a great case, but why did it take so long?

50:23

And I think that it comes back to what I said, it's, we need a focus in the

50:28

United States on missing persons, and we just simply don't have it.

50:33

We should have a kind of like sexual assault backlogs.

50:38

We should have timelines and budgets going into doing this.

50:42

Why do we have any human remains that we haven't tested DNA and put into our

50:46

national database?

50:47

And so I think it's time to have some sort of a institute or something that

50:52

would focus on when we find human remains, the clock's ticking, it must be

50:58

tested, put into the database, so we can compare it to people that may be

51:02

looking for those missing people.

51:03

And the second part of that program that I mentioned is that, you know, I don't

51:09

think there's any real government programs or NGOs out there right now in the U

51:14

.S. that are pushing for when somebody reports somebody missing, you know, they're

51:20

perhaps made aware of the ability to submit DNA, but if that was a state or

51:24

national program where they're given the right information, they're followed up

51:30

with, to submit their DNA.

51:32

I mean, if we did both of those things, we would have significant ident

51:36

ifications of our missing people with our human remains, and we simply don't

51:41

have it.

51:41

It's not a priority in the United States. The sad part about it is a lot can be

51:47

done with it if it was.

51:49

Yeah, that's a great point. I would definitely help and kind of bring closure

51:55

to a lot of these families out there.

51:58

Next question.

51:59

If you use rapid DNA, can you get an immediate result if you compare it to a

52:04

database?

52:05

And can it also be used to compare evidence samples to subjects?

52:10

Sure. So, let's look at the FBI booking station program and how that's likely

52:16

going to be rolled out.

52:18

So, you have a, you know, in my city, Seattle, you have the devices in the

52:23

Seattle Police Department.

52:25

You come in and you submit your DNA.

52:30

They can set it up so it searches against their estus and they can get

52:36

immediate results to see if that person is wanted for some of them.

52:39

Some unsolved crime within the state.

52:42

They could also do it against any local databases in which they might legally

52:47

are allowed to have.

52:49

And then it can immediately go up.

52:52

The vision is that it goes up to end this and searches there against cases of

52:56

special concern.

52:57

They're not going to allow all the database cases or the case where it plays an

53:05

end is to be searched.

53:06

It would apparently overwhelm the system, so they're going to do significant

53:10

cases.

53:10

So, but you can get these immediate results at your local, your state levels,

53:14

and also at those special cases and concern at the national level.

53:17

So, yeah, it'll be immediate in that regard.

53:21

On the, let's look at investigative leads, for example, you can also, let's say

53:28

you have a suspect in a crime.

53:31

And you have the lab has already done the rape kit on a sexual assault.

53:39

Rather than collecting DNA from these five suspects, sending it to the lab and

53:44

waiting perhaps a month to get the answer, but matches that case for example,

53:50

you could use rapid to run the five suspects immediately that day and have the

53:58

lab look at check it against the case for example

53:59

and get an immediate result then.

54:01

So, that's how that can be done.

54:03

And then of course, rapid and the property crimes arena or these cases where

54:08

you have single sources that make sense to use rapid and casework, rapid for

54:13

casework is not for all crimes.

54:15

It's for those where you have single source and perhaps outside of perhaps the

54:19

homicide and sexual assault and things like this.

54:22

But you could run your property crime against a state database can't be

54:32

uploaded to the end of this of course, but you can get immediate results with

54:37

those types of cases as well.

54:39

Gotcha. Okay. Let's get a couple more questions in here before we get to the

54:53

top of the hour. What would you say, Tim, is the biggest challenge for small

54:53

country or even third world countries regarding creating these DNA databases?

54:54

Yeah, it's a challenge. Most of it is awareness and resources. I think we all

55:07

take it for granted here in the US and the Western world, that DNA databases

55:12

are something that needs to happen and we're going to make solving crime our

55:18

top priority

55:18

and why wouldn't we have a functional criminal offender DNA database

55:24

operational when solving crime is one of our top government's societal goals.

55:29

But the rest of the world doesn't look at it that way. I mean, they have other

55:33

problems in these countries. In addition to crime, they have issues of water

55:39

and food and disease.

55:41

And so sometimes crime falls down the list a bit. And so those are just

55:46

societal things that impact creating programs like this. But what the bigger

55:51

issue is really is the awareness.

55:53

So they simply are not aware of the effectiveness of these databases at the

55:59

political level. So developing programs where they can become educated, sharing

56:06

knowledge from other countries.

56:08

And the FBI does this with making code is available to every country. So that's

56:14

a big piece of it. And of course, just the resources, right? It's when you get

56:19

into these countries and they go, yes, we get it now.

56:22

If we're going to try to tackle crime, we need a criminal offender database.

56:28

But back to my other point, they have led many challenges in these governments

56:32

and they have to spread the resources around.

56:34

So it's great. I've seen a lot of foreign operational assistance programs

56:41

coming out of the EU, the United States going to help countries develop DNA

56:47

databases.

56:48

There's a great program right now where the United States Department is helping

56:53

Central America develop criminal and missing persons databases.

56:57

And hopefully more foreign resources will be available to help these countries

57:02

get going.

57:03

Absolutely. Hopefully. I think we have time for just one last question. So it's

57:09

a good one. So, Tim, what reforms would you like to see?

57:14

Or can you recommend for agencies to be able to revisit cases with DNA testing,

57:20

especially if there was law enforcement errors in the beginning,

57:24

or if some of the samples weren't properly tested that should have been?

57:29

Yeah, let's kind of go through that a little bit more and pick ones out that

57:36

might not be, you know, on the scientific side.

57:39

I'm not going to be able to comment much on that. So maybe we refine the

57:45

question a bit, Michelle.

57:48

Okay. What about when, so how can if you're a lab manager in a forensic

57:53

laboratory, how can you play a role in, if you know there's a case that you

58:00

want to revisit due to whatever the circumstances may be?

58:03

How can a lab manager be like, Hey, this is the one I want to do. How do I get

58:09

the resources and how do I put this on the agenda?

58:12

I won't comment on that, but I'll comment on what lab personnel can do to make

58:20

a difference.

58:22

And what's happened is that a lot of growth in DNA to have the resources you

58:31

need to make a difference in getting rid of backlogs

58:36

and making sure you have all the resources you need to do all these cases has

58:41

to do with the ability to advocate up the chain.

58:44

And it's just, it's really, I think, if you can get yourself as working as a

58:51

forensic scientist to always push for more and take chances to go up the chain.

58:58

And I'll give you an example of when we first started getting involved in this

59:03

in the late 90s.

59:04

All the lab, all the lab directors in the United States were pretty coy with

59:10

going to the legislature asking for all convicted felon DNA databases.

59:15

They thought it was too risky politically and what they, so basically the

59:23

country, we, there was hardly any databases that did more than just taking from

59:28

burglar and, or excuse me, from violent felons.

59:31

But we saw a few lab directors started to get really active, particularly Paul

59:35

Ferrara in Virginia, and he pushed and he pushed on the governor to get the law

59:39

to do more and more funding and worked on the Debbie Smith Act.

59:43

So I think my, I'll wrap this up just by saying, you know, a forensic scientist

59:48

, be advocates, go out there, push on your crime lab director, tell them you

59:54

need more, and you want to make your program the best, and he needs to make, or

59:58

she needs to make

59:59

forensic DNA resources a priority so you can do all these cases.

01:00:04

So thank you.

01:00:05

Absolutely great advice. Thank you, Tim. The audience, that about wraps up the

01:00:10

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01:00:14

today, but throughout the series.

01:00:16

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01:00:26

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