Learn about new approaches for more efficient analysis of skeletal remains in this webinar. Sheree Hughes from Sam Houston State University will present a comparison of different methods for DNA extraction from bone—with and without powdering, and with and without automation. Rachel Oefelein from DNA Labs International will share streamlined Rapid DNA protocols for analysis of human remains, enabling fast recovery of discriminating DNA profiles for time-sensitive investigations such as disaster victim identification (DVI). You will learn about: How different approaches for sample preparation and automation with bones can affect workflow efficiency and downstream STR recovery Streamlined Rapid DNA protocols, requiring minimal hands on time, to recover discriminating DNA profiles from human remains
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Today, you will hear from Sherry Hughes, who is an Associate Professor of
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at Sam Houston State University.
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Sherry completed a PhD in Health Sciences and Forensic Genetics at Bond
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University on
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Without further ado, I'm going to hand it off to Sherry to get us started.
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Thank you Michelle and thank you Therma Fisher for inviting me to speak today.
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So I've been asked just to share some of the work that we've done in our labs
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around
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processing bone samples and how we've integrated Therma Fisher's traditional
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STR workflow and
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their DNA extraction chemistries with a little bit of a twist for multiple
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applications in
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our lab with some success.
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So the majority of the work that I'm presenting today was performed by one of
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my former PhD
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students, Michelle, and my recently graduated Honors student, Madeline.
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So the stock standard disclaimer, of course, and let's get straight into it.
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So we all know that there are multiple challenges with skeletal samples.
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Sample processing can be extremely long-lengthy, laborious, and can require
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some specialized
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equipment and training.
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And often it will completely consume a precious sample.
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We have a lot of PCR inhibition that we need to consider and with the
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extraction, DNA extraction
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method obviously needs to be effective of removing all of those inhibitory
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agents.
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The DNA we yield from a lot of skeletal samples is going to be in very low
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amounts and can
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be often be highly degraded or even damaged.
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And this can lead to difficulties and challenges for downstream STR typing.
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We also need to bear in mind the increased risk of contamination in these very
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low-level
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samples as well.
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But also one of the steps in the sample processing of bone where we powder into
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a very fine powder
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can increase the risk of that contamination as well.
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So of course the traditional STR workflow in the laboratory should look
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familiar to you
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all.
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And the work I'm presenting is using all of these thermofisher kits and chem
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istries on
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these instruments.
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All the way from extraction through to separation detection on the 3500.
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So the general sample prep and sample prep of bone samples essentially always
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starts with
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the sanding.
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So we would sand off usually the top millimeter or so of the bone to remove a
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lot of those
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external contaminants.
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Then we would go through a series of chipping into smaller fragments, wash
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series of bleach,
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ethanol water and then crushing that bone into a very fine powder either with a
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freezer
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mill as you see here or a blender cup or with a drill.
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So once we have that powder we then need to extract the DNA from that powder.
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And one of the industry standard methods now is what we would call a complete
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or total
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demon or demonization protocol from bone powder which is pretty much used in
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the majority
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of bone labs around the world now.
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In terms of it was originally described by Lorella Tl and has been further
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refined by
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that same group and described and used by many many other researchers.
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And essentially it's relying on an increased concentration of EDTA to maximise
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that decosification
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and mineralisation and completely de-mineralise that powder.
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Now the prep file of EDTA kit was released by Thermo Fisher and it was
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developed with
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a very aggressive lysis buffer as well for bone and tissue samples, bone and
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teeth.
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And again we wanted to incorporate this in our lab for various projects and
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again both
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of these methods are relying on extracting from bone powder.
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However there are times where we would like not to have the powder.
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So labs may not have the equipment to crush bone into fine powder.
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So this is also really interesting method or approach for precious samples that
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you may
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not want to destroy.
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So maybe some museum or ancient remains you don't want to be totally destroyed.
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So maybe this is something that could be used to extract DNA, still leach DNA
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out of those
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samples without maintaining the integrity of the sample itself.
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You can also, this may also reduce the potential for contamination if you're
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not powdering and
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creating all those aerosols of bone powder.
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And also interestingly you can then go back and re-extract from that same
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sample a second
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time.
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And so a few people have looked at different approaches for this with bone and
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teeth as
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you can see here.
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And then a little while ago the T-bone X kit was released, was developed
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specifically for
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this reason, to be able to extract DNA from whole bone tissues without having
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to powder.
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And so it's an initial digestion step that you would then pair with another DNA
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purification
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step.
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In our case we wanted to look at the combination of the T-bone kit with the Pr
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EPFYLA BTA kit.
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So the first project I want to talk about is exactly that.
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It's looking at the results for STR typing with powder-versing chips, using
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powder-versing
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just chips, so being able to avoid that powdering step.
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Look at BTA, PrEPFYLA BTA alone, or with the T-bone buffer, is there going to
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be an
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accumulative improvement of the T-bone kit?
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And then look at manual versus an automated approach.
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So we collected six bones from skeletonized remains out at Staphs at San
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Houston State
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Uni, and we subjected them to three various, those DNA extraction methods.
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So the total demineralization protocol from powder, PrEPFYLA BTA from powder,
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and then
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PrEPFYLA BTA combined with the T-bone buffer from the chip.
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And then combination of manual versus automated downstream purification on the
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automated express.
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So looking at our control method, so we would crush the bone powder and go
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through your
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demineralization protocol manually for around about 30 hours or so that would
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take.
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Then using the PrEPFYLA BTA kit, again from bone powder, threw down to sell l
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ysis at the
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BTA kit, but now looking at introducing the T-bone kit prior to PrEPFYLA, we of
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course
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are able to avoid the crushing and the processing of the tissue into a powder,
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added them to
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the demineralization and digestion with the T-bone kit, and then both of these
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then are
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subjected to the PrEPFYLA BTA kit, either manually or automated, is what we
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were looking
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at for our comparisons.
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So as expected, we did see a significant decrease in the amount of DNA that we
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recovered when
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that process was automated.
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And this wasn't unexpected.
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Bone labs pretty much would traditionally use a manual extraction procedure for
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this
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very reason, for the fear of losing whatever little DNA we've got.
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We essentially don't want to be losing due to robotics.
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However, when we looked at the STR success from those DNA extracts, we found
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that there
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was no significant difference at all between the STR success based on those
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methods.
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So the PrEPFYLA BTA was the quickest overall.
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Even though we had to powder, it was still the quickest, we could avoid the
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overnight incubation.
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But more importantly, the T-bone X kit really didn't have any additional
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benefit over BTA
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alone.
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However, the BTA PrEPFYLA kit was still dependent on powdering the bone.
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So we wanted to look at, well, if the BTA buffer is really good at digesting
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from the
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bone powder, is it aggressive enough and effective enough on bone chips without
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having
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to powder it?
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And then if so, will this number and the size and the number of chips that we
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use for digestion,
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is that going to make a difference?
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And if we increase the incubation of the initial incubation step because of the
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chips versus
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the powder, could that improve our results?
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So we took a bone from a badly burnt body, sanded and processed it down, and
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then we looked
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at a different combination of different size chips and the quantity of chips
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and then that
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incubation time.
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And coupled that with our PrEPFYLA BTA extraction.
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So we had our bone powder and our bone chips, we mirrored the amount.
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So we had 50 milligrams of bone powder and we also had 150 milligrams of bone
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powder.
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We also had 50 milligram bone chips, so one for the 50 milligram, three to make
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up the
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150 milligrams and then one large 150 milligram powder, arm chip.
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And then we looked at increasing the incubation from the recommended two hour
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protocol through
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to a doubling of four through to an overnight incubation.
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And what we found is that there was no significant difference in DNA yield or
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STR success based
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on any difference in the incubation time or the combination of chip number and
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or size.
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The only difference we did see as what we expected in the DNA concentration,
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when we
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got our DNA yield, we recovered less DNA from 50 milligrams than we did 150,
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but there was
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no difference at whether it was a powder or chip.
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So none of the alternate variables that we looked at actually generated any
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significantly
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better results than the initial manufacturer's existing protocol of 50 millig
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rams of bone
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tissue with a two hour incubation.
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But now we were able to demonstrate that we did not need to chip to powder that
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50 milligram
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bone we can we can extract from the chip itself.
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So then we were asked, well what else can we do with this protocol?
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Perhaps me, if they don't have the equipment to powder their bone, could they
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use this
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as a initial very quick rapid screening tool to decide, well, what are the
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likelihood of
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the of STR success from these bones that we may have?
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Or really do we need to send them off to another lab to do some Mito or MPS or
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some other type
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of specialized preparation?
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And so we wanted to look at can we use this bone chip on a very quick automated
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process
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on the automate?
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And then it was, well, what other bone what other skeletal elements may this
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work for?
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Not just your traditional bony elements and your long bones, but any other
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parts of the
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body.
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So we wanted to look at that as well across different environmental insults.
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So again, we started off with our controls.
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So we have our powdered controls, our 50 milligram samples, one that were
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processed either
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with our total demon method or our prep file or BTA method manually.
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Then we wanted to look at, okay, our screening method is using a very quick 50
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milligram
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chip, no powdering straight onto the automated on to the automatic express
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using the prep
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file or express chemistry.
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And then processed the same for our quant and STR typing, of course.
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So what we found using this automated screening method with the chip is that we
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didn't find
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any significant difference in DNA yield.
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As you can see, there's a trend for less from the chips compared to our control
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methods.
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But when we looked at the STR success, we did see a slight variation in our
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results.
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So as you can see, powder versus the bone chip, we did have more samples that
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were generating
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more complete STR profiles using the full bone powdering and manual method.
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However, when we wanted to look at what's the effectiveness of a very quick
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screening
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method using a chip, we found that just under a half of the samples we tested,
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we found
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that we're generating more than 95% complete profiles from the chip alone on
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the automated
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express.
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And if you end over just over half, so 13 out of the 20, we're generating more
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than 75%
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complete STR profiles.
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So we thought that this method, being able to, the advantage of being able to
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avoid the
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powdering, was providing a very quick and easy screening tool essentially.
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Then an interesting observation we had was looking at these traditional versus
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non-traditional
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skeletal elements for extraction.
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So our traditional elements were your long bones, your compact bones, the shaft
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of your
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long bones that are weight bearing, so traditionally your femur and your tibia,
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but also your
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humerus.
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But we also wanted to look at your non-traditional bones, so your hand and feet
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for landage,
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your fingers and toes, your carpal-submitted tasas, broken tooth fragments,
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your vertebra,
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ends, bits, other bones within the body that wouldn't traditionally be your
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first choice.
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And what we found is that non-traditional elements appeared to be yielding
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slightly more DNA
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and slightly less degraded DNA, as you can see from the slightly lower DI and
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quant values.
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However, these were not statistically significant in any way, but what was
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significant was an
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increase in our STR profile completeness.
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So the number of reportable alleles, we actually got more complete profiles
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from these non-traditional
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elements.
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So this was great because it means we can survey from much wider selection of
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skeletal
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remains when we have them in a case.
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And this has been, this is not a surprise, we have, this has been shown by
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multiple researchers
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and reports that other non-traditional skeletal elements can be used very
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successfully for
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DNA typing.
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This is more information on everything I've presented thus far has been, we've
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also published,
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so feel free to read that if you want after more information.
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But then we wanted to look at something slightly different.
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So we were asked to look at using our large range of environmentally challenged
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skeletal
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remains at using with global filer at the time, that it was unknown on the,
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what the effect
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of increasing the cycle number from the recommended 29 cycles of global filer
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with some compromised
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bone samples, what was the effect?
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So we got asked to look at that and we looked at several increases because of
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course it's
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increasing our PCR cycle number, is your most common technique used for trying
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to increase
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your allele recovery from low template remains.
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So we surveyed, we took about 12 bone and tooth samples from cadavers that had
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been subjected
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to a lot of different environmental insults such as burial, burning, embalming,
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decomp,
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etc.
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We processed these in our stock standard method, we powdered these bones and
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then we performed
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extraction in duplicate.
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So what we found not surprisingly is that overall as peak heights did increase
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as the
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cycle numbers increased of course and also the number of reportable alleles
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increased
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with additional cycles.
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But this obviously was, the greatest increase was observed under 120 or so pico
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grams which
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we would expect.
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And on the flip side though, as again as expected, was that we saw an also
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increase in the number
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of artifacts that we saw as we increased our cycle number and the amount of DNA
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amplified
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increased.
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So we were able to sort of confirm that trend and have a look at the variation
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from 29 to
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32 cycles, we would see an increase, we saw an increase in stutter as we of
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exaggerated
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stutter and we also saw an increase in drop in as we increase the cycle number,
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pull up
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of course and we did see off ladder events as well increasing the more we would
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increase
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our cycles.
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So here's an example of a say 60 pico gram sample with 29 cycles recovering
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around about
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just under 35% of their alleles with no artifacts increased to 30 cycles we
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were able then to
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recover another 20% also without increasing seeing any more unwanted artifacts.
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Up to 31 cycles we were then able to recover 70, just just over 70% of our
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profile but
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we now start to see artifacts and then of course increasing further increases
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those artifacts
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but we're not seeing any increase or much improvement at all now number of alle
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les recovered.
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So this work helped them officially then tweak some of their protocols and also
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an application
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note on these and we also published these results as well.
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So of course our HID tools could be used for multiple applications, everything
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from our
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routine forensic casework and crime scene investigations through to missing
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persons cases and mass
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disasters solving historical cases and something a little bit different is
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using HID for
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improving the traceability and tracking of specimens within an anatomical
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collection.
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So usually what happens in a facility body donor program is when they are
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received the
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bodies are assigned a unique identifier and tagged upon arrival.
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Then those bodies go through the embalming process and then when they are then
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housed
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and used for research and teaching those bodies are then dissected and will be
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separated
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into various areas and containers.
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So of course those tags then are the isolated organs are tagged and this
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identifying number
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obviously is then associated with that original donor within within a registry
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but does it
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go wrong?
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Well every now and then it has and of course this is an extremely serious issue
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we want
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to make sure that bodies and body parts are correctly assigned to their donor
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so that
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can be cremated and returned obviously to families as required and of course
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when this
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has happened in the past very isolated incidences DNA typing has been relied
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upon to then try
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and re-associate those remains to the non donor.
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But as far as I'm aware there is no anatomical or body donor program in the
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world yet that
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routinely has established and uses a DNA database and tracking system to
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establish the identification
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of all of their donors and their specimens within the collection.
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So this of course could be a way of improving the traceability of these organs
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within a
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facility and increase and really boost their quality assurance programs.
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So how this project came about was the university I was recently at has an
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anatomical program
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within what's called the gross anatomy facility and essentially wanted to know
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could we establish
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this type of program here.
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But we didn't know what the spread of the DNA quantity and quality and recover
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ability is
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going to be out of the remains we had within the facility.
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So this was essentially a survey to see what we had and what we could do.
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So the gap within the biomedical sciences at the University of Queensland is
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the largest
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anatomical, persected and skeletal collection within the state of Queensland
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and we recover
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or receive approximately 100 bodies per year donated to the program and these
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bodies can
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be and samples can be maintained for up to 10 or 20 years before being returned
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or disposed
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of.
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And so these specimens can be anything from whole bodies through to persected
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limbs and
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torso etc. various body parts we have isolated organs that can be preserved
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within pots and
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of course skeletal remains and collections.
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But these specimens are all embalmed and protected and preserved with embalming
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solutions
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which could either be commercial or in-house versions.
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So there's a lot of variation.
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But embalming of course is there to preserve the human tissues.
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It's there it's used by within funeral homes within these types of anatomical
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collections
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and pathology to preserve the tissues but it also greatly degrades and damages
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the DNA.
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So how these embalming works usually falls within two general methods.
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So the whole body or the organ is embalmed in the, is immersed in the embalming
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solution
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or the solution is flushed to the circulatory system for diffusion.
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And a most common agent used is a formal and based preservative and of course
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as we know
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that creates extreme DNA damage and degradation particularly with cross-linkage
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and fragmentation.
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And as most of us would be aware that Aftil have also encountered this problem
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with a
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lot of their remains that they've recovered their skeletons and bones from the
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punch bowl
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where these bones we know have been immersed in these really really aggressive
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formal and
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based embalming solutions and powders.
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So this project really started by a survey of what was in our gaff and what is
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the likelihood
24:07
of being able to recover any sort of amplifiable DNA.
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We sampled hundreds of tissues across the body but because this is a bone talk
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I wanted
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to focus more on those.
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So out of all of those we had 72 bone samples that were recovered and these
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range from
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bodies that were embalmed for up to, from anywhere from one week through to
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about 13
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years.
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And we employed the same DNA extraction method as what I previously described
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in this talk.
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So using the bone chipping method with the BTA kit for bone extraction, for DNA
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extraction.
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We recovered a range of DNA concentrations as we would expect but the majority
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of the
24:44
samples we actually recovered more than 100 pC per microliter to be able to
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amplify for
24:50
STR analysis.
24:52
We had very few samples with very small amounts of DNA.
24:56
However the DNA degradation index or the DIY was rained quite substantially
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from anything
25:02
from very mild to moderate degradation to extremely high degradation and some
25:06
of these
25:07
samples were so degraded we couldn't even get a DIY value for.
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However we did not detect any PCR inhibition at all so we were very confident
25:16
that the
25:16
extraction process was very efficient.
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So in terms of the results from the bones and cells as you can see around about
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three
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quarters of the samples we recovered more than 90% of the cells in our STR
25:30
profiles and
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only a few of the samples we generated less than 30% of the cell recovery.
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And these samples were the samples that were much older have been embalmed for
25:41
much longer
25:41
between four and 13 years.
25:45
But 65 out of those samples were able to be positively identified back to the
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donor.
25:52
So out of interest though, all the tissues as a whole what we did find was that
25:56
when
25:56
we looked at the quality of our STR profiles these did generally decrease over
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time but
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it was actually more dependent on the tissue use whether it was skin or muscle
26:07
or lung
26:08
or liver which obviously I don't have time to talk about but it was extremely
26:13
interesting.
26:14
Another little interesting thing we found was that we recovered a lot more
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higher quality
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DNA that led to more complete profiles when we recovered the tissues from the
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lower limb
26:24
versus the torso or upper limb part of the body.
26:28
So we thought that was interesting that needed to be that warrants further
26:32
investigation.
26:33
So really to summarise this talk we found that the PrEPFOLA BTA kit has been
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extremely
26:40
effective on a very wide range of skeletal material that have been exposed to
26:45
lots of
26:45
challenging environmental insults and we were able to do this with in without
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bone
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powdering.
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So we found that the BTA kit is extremely aggressive in terms of its lysis and
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effective
26:56
and recovering DNA from these bones without the need to powder.
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We've also demonstrated that increasing the PCR cycle for these challenging
27:05
bones does
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improve the recoverability of alleles without introducing too many more
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artifacts.
27:15
We also found that the PrEPFOLA BTA forensic kit was very effective in being
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able to use
27:22
for recovering DNA from these embalmed samples within an anatomy facility for
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samples that
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were embalmed for up to a year.
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We generated a very successful STR results.
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After that the samples we would assume would need a little bit more work to be
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able to
27:41
get a definitive identification, most likely down the route of SNP typing and
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use buyer
27:47
and PS but it does show potential for being able to create a DNA registry to
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establish
27:53
provenance of these types of samples within body donor programs.
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So with that I'd like to acknowledge and thank them official of course and in
28:02
particular
28:03
Angie Sherry and Lucy for their support and over the time of the years and then
28:08
also the
28:08
Department of Forensic Science and staffs at Sam Houston State and all of
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course the donors
28:13
and their families that made this work possible.
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So with that I'm happy to take some questions but other than that I will hand
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over to Rachel
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who will be telling you some really interesting information about using rapid
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DNA technology
28:28
for bone samples.
28:29
Thank you.
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Hello thank you for joining us today and thank you for that introduction.
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My name is Rachel Afeine and I'm the Director of Research and Innovation at DNA
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Labs International
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and I'm going to be talking today about the Rapid Hit ID System and our
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evaluation for
28:46
processing of skeletal remains.
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DNA Labs International is located in Deerfield Beach in sunny South Florida and
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we're celebrating
28:58
over 15 years now partnering with law enforcement across the United States as
29:02
well as Caribbean
29:03
nations.
29:08
Our initial testing and evaluation began in November 2018 and then in May of
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2019 we
29:14
actually had the Rapid Hit ID System installed.
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We initially had a different instrument so the actual Rapid Hit ID System was
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installed
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in May of 2019.
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We're currently finalizing our validation.
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We had added on a couple additional procedures so that involved some of our
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delays in getting
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signed off but we're so excited now to be offering the Rapid Hit ID System in
29:37
our
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suite of offerings at DNA Labs International.
29:45
So what is Rapid DNA?
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The FBI defines Rapid DNA as the fully automated hands-free process of
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developing a DNA profile
29:54
from a reference sample buckled swab without human intervention.
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We develop a DNA profile under two hours for a body fluid sample as an
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investigative aid.
30:05
Both bone extractions can take anywhere from 12 to 72 hours.
30:09
I have noted here that this is laboratory dependent but it's not actually just
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laboratory dependent
30:15
because it's also bone dependent.
30:16
So when we get really challenging bone samples sometimes for example with our
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demineralization
30:22
method after that initial incubation you might not have full demineralization.
30:27
So we can respite that sample and give an additional incubation period.
30:32
In addition to that a lot of bones yield very small amounts of DNA.
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So one extraction might not even be enough.
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You might have to do two, three, four extraction.
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We have one genealogy case in particular where we had to do eight extractions
30:46
to get enough
30:46
DNA to go forward with genealogy.
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Bone extractions are incredibly labor intensive and they require special
30:53
equipment and training
30:54
for handling them.
30:57
It also requires a designated screening area.
30:59
You would want to be screening bones right next to where you have high quality
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samples.
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At our laboratory our high quality low quality bones are separated as well so
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that they're
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not being done in the same area.
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That goes for all the equipment that's used for screening them too.
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So what technique are we actually using?
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I've included a few pictures here.
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This is one of my favorite things to try to explain to examiners and say I want
31:23
a cross
31:24
section of bone.
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They're like what the heck does that mean?
31:27
I always try to say I think a lot of friends and scientists do this where we
31:30
compare everything
31:31
to food.
31:32
But I always try to say we want it to look like a short piece of a celery.
31:36
So you want just that cross section where you have the anterior exposed as well
31:42
We do a lot of times get full sets of ramegans on occasion or full femur bones
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but really
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it saves everyone a lot of time, effort and money to just submit a cross
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section.
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So I would highly recommend if your law enforcement or medical examiner system
31:57
has the ability
31:58
to cut that cross section for you to request it to be submitted in that way.
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As we usually take about a two to three inch section and if any tissue or
32:07
debris is present
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on the bone a simple initial cleaning is required so you can either scrape that
32:13
bone or again
32:14
use a cutting wheel to try to get that removed.
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However if the tissue is pink and healthy looking, abort mission.
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Go forward with the bone extraction.
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Healthy pink tissue is much easier to extract than a bone so I would recommend
32:27
at that point
32:28
just removing the tissue and taking that forward.
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The bone must be sanded using a gremmel tool to remove potential contaminants.
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A lot of times we get remains submitted that were discovered by civilians.
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It's maybe gone through the hands of multiple medical examiners, sometimes with
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cold cases
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from the 60s and 70s.
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People had handled it with their bare hands.
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So we want to get any of that potential extraneous DNA off the surface of the
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bone.
32:54
In addition to that we also want to get anything off the surface of the bone
32:57
that could be
32:57
inhibiting our reactions.
32:59
So for example chemicals that might have been leached into the bone from the
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soils or anything
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that it could have been exposed to over time.
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Sometimes we get remains that were prepared for embalming so we're going to
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want to get
33:11
any of those materials off.
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Really by the end of it you want it to look like a perfect piece of porcelain
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china is
33:17
how I always describe it.
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At that point you're going to have to go through multiple washes.
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So we'll do water and ethanol washes and you're going to want that to fully dry
33:28
So if you are going forward for de-mineralization extraction we're going to do
33:33
a mixer mill
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powdering method.
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And if you have any moisture remaining really you're just going to end up with
33:38
a paste.
33:39
So we want that bone completely dry before it goes forward.
33:44
So the bone fragments are broken up and we do that in water and pastel and out
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of smaller
33:50
pieces are pulverized into powder.
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Powdering the bone exposes a greater surface area for the extraction reagents
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to reach
33:57
resulting in a higher extraction yield.
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Cleaning materials so you want to make sure all the materials and the hood that
34:03
we're
34:03
using is completely free of any remaining bone powder from previous samples.
34:09
Bone powder gets into everything.
34:12
It's very easy to have bone powder left behind so you want to make sure that
34:16
you're doing
34:16
multiple cleaning stops in order to ensure that you don't have cross
34:20
contamination between
34:21
samples.
34:22
So the types of things we're using for cleaning are bleach, soap detergents,
34:27
ethanol, cleaning
34:27
reagents as well as UV lighting.
34:30
And this process is performed inside a specialized hood with filtration
34:33
capabilities.
34:34
So any bone powder that's going into the air is going to get through that filt
34:38
ration
34:38
system so that we're not having a deposit of bone powder across the hood.
34:45
So going into a little bit of our validation study, what we looked at initially
34:49
for our
34:49
sensitivity is decasted.
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I say it's decasted too because really with the rapid system, we treated it
34:57
like a new
34:57
PCR kit.
34:59
So we aren't actually analyzing on the actual instrument.
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We're using gene marker on computers so we take the data from the rapid and
35:08
then analyze
35:09
that separately off instrument.
35:11
We did that for a couple of reasons.
35:13
One, we are not an endist participating laboratory.
35:16
So although we work with a lot of endist participating laboratories, we do not
35:19
have direct upload
35:21
to codus.
35:22
So really that feature doesn't serve a function for us.
35:25
And in addition to that, we wanted the ability to be able to edit our samples
35:29
and have a
35:30
higher pass rate.
35:31
So by analyzing off instrument, we're able to account for dropout peaks that
35:38
are below
35:39
stochastic thresholds and be able to make better use of that data.
35:44
So really we treated like a brand new kit.
35:45
We have our own analytical thresholds on our own stutter filters, our own stoch
35:51
astic
35:51
threshold.
35:53
And so moving forward into what we did with the bones is we have to add a high
35:56
quality
35:57
bone sample from a known source.
35:59
We ground the bone sample into a small chunk consistency.
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For those of you that are wondering what the heck is a small chunk consistency,
36:06
don't
36:06
worry.
36:07
I've got a slide for you coming up that I'm going to explain.
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And we've prepared two sets of bone samples weighing approximately 10, 50, and
36:15
100 milligrams.
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I say approximate and you can see that they're pretty close, but when you're
36:19
dealing with
36:19
bone chunks, it's virtually impossible to get it to weigh exactly the same.
36:24
So there's slight variation there, but they're pretty close.
36:26
And we ran those samples through rapid using Intel cartridges, not the ACE
36:31
cartridges.
36:32
So the ACE cartridges, we're using pretty much specifically for buckleswax.
36:37
You can also do body fluid samples for those, but really the ACE is mostly
36:41
going to be for
36:42
buckles.
36:43
The Intel has a higher cycle number and a slight variation in the buffer for it
36:49
, so you're
36:50
getting higher interviews from that.
36:52
So when you're dealing with bone samples, which can be tricky, obviously we
36:55
want the most
36:56
sensitive option.
36:57
So we process the raw data and we looked at average heterozygous peak heights
37:01
as well as
37:02
sister allele balances.
37:04
And as I mentioned, we analyze a G marker off instrument.
37:07
We did actually look at it on instrument as well too and compared how our two
37:11
methods
37:12
differed.
37:15
So remember, I mentioned that small chunk consistency.
37:18
What does it mean?
37:19
The consistency is too fine and will clog the system.
37:23
So I always say think of a sea salt grinder like that fancy pink Himalayan salt
37:28
That's the consistency that you want for your bones to make sure that you're
37:30
not going to
37:31
clog the system.
37:33
So for regular full-demoneturalization protocols, we're going to run our
37:36
samples through the
37:38
mixer mill and get that super fine powder that is not how we want it for the
37:42
rapid system.
37:46
So how is the data?
37:47
Remember we have high quality bones resulting in full DNA profiles from all
37:51
amounts tested.
37:52
So again, that was 10 milligrams, 50 milligrams and 100 milligrams.
37:57
By high quality, I'd say this is probably the most common question I got from
38:01
people
38:02
when I talk about our rapid skeletal remains protocol.
38:06
I would classify high quality as a subjector, but really what we're looking at
38:12
is samples
38:13
from remains that were found within 12 months of the time of the individual
38:17
becoming deceased.
38:19
And we want it to be in good environmental conditions.
38:22
So preferably in a cool environment in the world, but if they are outside, we
38:27
want nothing
38:28
with high heat, fires, bogs, acidic soil, things like that that are going to
38:33
degrade
38:33
those remains.
38:34
And I would also add in the caveat of no chemical treatment.
38:38
So we have remains that have been treated with acid and oil drums, things like
38:42
that, that
38:43
is not going to be a good sample for the rapid hit ID system.
38:49
Here we have the first bone from 10 milligrams from Set A. As you can see, we
38:53
have a beautiful
38:54
profile here.
38:55
It was about 9.9 milligrams, just a really, really small amount of bone.
39:01
But I can see here the average pea kites for blue, green, yellow, red, purple
39:08
and overall.
39:09
Here we have Set B. So this is a similar size sample, but from the second set.
39:15
And you can see we have very comparable results and again, a full beautiful
39:19
profile.
39:19
Go ahead to 50 milligrams, Set A. You can see here we have a slight increase
39:26
now in the
39:26
pea kites and similar gun for Set B. Even though this was 47.3 milligrams of
39:34
slightly
39:34
less input, but you're really not seeing that big of a difference.
39:37
When we go to 100 milligrams, that's where things get a little interesting.
39:43
So you can see all those E's and X's, E's or X's are things where we've had to
39:48
delete
39:49
peeks and you can see there's a little bit of noise on that baseline.
39:52
So I'm going to give you a better zoomed in peak or picture as well of that,
39:57
but it's
39:57
increased artifactual peeks and edits.
40:00
So basically we were seeing a really high amount of artifacts when we got up to
40:04
100
40:05
milligrams.
40:06
So at our laboratory, we recommend sticking in that 10 to 50 range for high
40:10
quality remains.
40:13
Here's a zoom in on the yellow dye channel.
40:15
So you can see all these extra little peeks here.
40:19
Some of them aren't sizing.
40:20
So you can see there's a lot of OBS, but some of these are actually falling
40:24
into bins.
40:25
So you would need to be cautious that this wouldn't register as a mixture.
40:29
So again, this is another advantage of analyzing off the instrument is that you
40:33
have additional
40:34
options.
40:35
Sorry, excuse me.
40:38
A lot of allergies down here in Florida.
40:41
We have endless summer.
40:43
So here we have bone one at 100 milligrams and this is for set A. You can see
40:48
the red
40:48
dye channel too.
40:49
We have this split peak here.
40:53
So set B for 100 milligrams was pretty similar.
40:56
We have those increased artifactual peeks and edits.
41:00
Here zoomed in.
41:01
You can see that as well.
41:02
So the good news about this is we can identify these and make record of them.
41:07
So if you do have these artifacts playing up in your profiles, we have the
41:11
ability to
41:12
edit these.
41:13
But again, the idea is to just reduce your amount of input and then not have to
41:17
deal
41:17
with these artifacts at all.
41:21
And here we are on the red dye channel.
41:22
So you can see it's not limited to a single dye channel across the border
41:26
having quite
41:26
a bit of edits and artifacts.
41:30
I will give the disclaimer from those two that this was before we had set our
41:34
AT.
41:34
So our analytical threshold is actually a little bit higher.
41:37
So a lot of those might not have come in.
41:39
But for the really tall peeks where we're seeing that bifurcation, those are
41:43
absolutely
41:44
still going to fall in at that 100 milligrams.
41:47
Here we have our average peek heights plotted against the bone amount.
41:51
So you can see as expected, the higher the input of your bone amount, the
41:55
higher of your
41:56
RFUs.
41:57
And you can see pretty comparable between the two.
42:00
Set two had maybe a little bit less.
42:02
There's more around like 2,500 RFUs where set one was around 3,000.
42:08
And that one is almost 3 milligrams left.
42:11
But I think it's like actually just coincidence because they're pretty
42:15
comparable.
42:16
So I don't think those 3 milligrams really made or break it for those RFUs.
42:24
Another way to look at the data is this average peek height by locus versus
42:27
bone input.
42:28
Just going through.
42:31
You can see the 100 milligrams versus the 47.3 and the 93.
42:37
So overall peek height ratio versus bone amounts.
42:39
You can see actually across the board, regardless of our input, we've really
42:44
great peek height
42:45
ratios.
42:46
This is what we would expect to see from any well-performing kit.
42:50
So we're ranging from about 76% to 83%, which as you know, anything over 70% is
42:56
great.
42:57
So this is what we want to see.
43:01
Here we have dye channel peek height ratio versus bone input.
43:05
Again, really well balanced regardless of input.
43:08
We're having great peek height ratios regardless of dye channel as well.
43:13
And here we have the red and purple.
43:17
So how does this compare to our current methods?
43:19
So we have our original demineralization bone extraction method, which is an
43:23
overnight incubation.
43:25
The hands on time.
43:26
So taking out the bone sauce, taking out the cutting wheels, a dremel for sand
43:31
ing off those
43:32
bones and getting that clean surface, all those washes.
43:36
It's about three hours of hands on time.
43:39
I'd say that's conservative.
43:41
If you're brand new, it might be more like more four or five hours.
43:45
But additional processing time to obtain that fine powder.
43:48
So we're adding that mixer mill step now at this point.
43:52
And the other thing that's important to mention here is that we have multiple
43:55
tubes required.
43:57
So we're doing multiple phenol washes.
44:00
And because you have multiple tube transfers, you're exposing yourself for the
44:03
potential
44:04
for a contamination event.
44:05
So we want to limit our tube transfers as much as possible.
44:10
And we also brought online a large volume extraction method.
44:14
That involves a butanol wash as well.
44:16
And instead of being performed in microcons, we're now in ultra fours.
44:20
And this whole process was actually brought online specifically for genealogy.
44:25
We were finding for our investigative genealogy cases that sometimes we were
44:29
having to do
44:30
two, three, maybe even four extractions to get enough DNA to go forward with
44:35
genealogy.
44:36
So I don't know if you could see in the tiny camera, but DNA for a codis SDR
44:40
profile, you
44:41
need this much, whereas genealogy, you need like this much.
44:45
It's a lot more DNA.
44:47
So we wanted to bring on a method where we could get higher return DNA from our
44:52
extraction
44:53
yields and hopefully limit having to do multiple extractions.
44:57
So here's our current bone extraction method against the large volume
45:03
extraction method.
45:05
And you can see pretty much across the board here, now you can pretty much, it
45:08
's every single
45:09
sample we added increased yield.
45:12
And what's interesting here is that these are actually really similar inputs.
45:16
So for example, if you look at the first one, we have 170 milligrams versus 160
45:20
So we've actually put in a little bit less input for bone powder here.
45:25
And yet we're having a higher yield return.
45:28
So this is ideal for our genealogy cases.
45:32
Our original bone method we actually only use typically for teeth at this point
45:38
So here we have our current bone extraction method versus the large volume
45:42
protocol and
45:42
the rapid hut.
45:44
So this is looking at our inputs versus the amount of nanograms of DNA that we
45:49
obtain.
45:50
So you can see that rapid hut actually holds up pretty well when it comes to
45:55
the high quality
45:56
samples.
45:59
So what about quality?
46:01
None of this means anything if we don't have high quality, right?
46:04
So we have all samples, the correct profile was obtained.
46:07
We had multiple replicates of the same bone source producing consistent
46:11
profiles and we
46:12
had no signs of contamination.
46:14
So overall, a quality win when it comes to the high quality remains, we're
46:18
getting high
46:18
quality profiles.
46:22
We want to know though what happens to that bone after the test?
46:25
So the bone can be removed from the cartridge after testing.
46:28
If you haven't actually seen the cartridge yet, it's about this big and it has
46:32
an opening
46:33
where the sample actually goes.
46:35
So those bone chunks are not being demineralized.
46:37
We're not turning to a liquefaction of the sample.
46:42
We still have those bone chunks there afterwards.
46:44
We wanted to know if you could retest them.
46:46
So if you had a limited bone sample, for example, and you put that in and say
46:51
your run failed,
46:52
would you be able to put that into a new cartridge and then rerun the sample?
46:57
And we found that actually you can.
46:59
So this is multiple tests of the same bone sample.
47:02
I will say that we actually did third and fourth rounds of this too.
47:06
I don't think I have the date on this presentation.
47:09
You can see that your overall RFU's decrease with each test.
47:13
However, we're still getting a full profile.
47:15
So as long as you get a full profile, it's a win at the end of the day.
47:19
We're not typically going to be rerunning these samples all the time anyways,
47:22
but it's
47:23
nice to know that we have that option in the event that we needed to reanalyze
47:26
that sample.
47:28
It also means that you could technically retain that sample for all time and
47:32
keep it so you're
47:33
not having that deleterious effect.
47:38
Multiple tests saying the same bone sample through the rapid hit ISC system
47:41
using the
47:42
Intel cartridges, so here we just have those average peak heights per locus.
47:47
And this is a 10 milligram high quality bone sample just to put things into
47:51
perspective.
47:52
You'll notice at Y and L and DYS 391, we have zero RFU's.
47:57
If you're wondering why there's those dips in the piece is because this is a
48:00
female,
48:00
so we don't expect any RFU's at the YSTR locations.
48:07
So what other options could we look at for bones?
48:10
We wanted to see.
48:11
We spent a lot of time actually trying to see if we could get samples that were
48:15
low quality
48:17
or what we would say is medium quality bone sample, so maybe higher in age,
48:22
like 10 to
48:23
15 years, but was in really good quality conditions to see if we could get
48:27
those to work.
48:28
So we tried just running the bone extract through to see what kind of DNA
48:32
profiles we
48:32
would get from that.
48:34
We also looked at partially digesting.
48:36
So doing a round of demineralization buffer and an incubation of those bone
48:40
chunks and
48:41
then loading it into the rapid cartridge to see the advantage there would be
48:46
would skip
48:47
all the phenol washes, phenols and nasty chemicals.
48:50
So as much as we can limit that in our laboratory would be great.
48:53
So we wanted to try that out.
48:56
Bone extract is actually fine.
48:57
The partially digested buffer is fine for high quality.
49:01
However, for those medium and low quality samples, we're still not obtaining a
49:06
DNA profile.
49:07
So as mentioned, we looked at those low quality bones, we evaluated bone chunks
49:11
versus partially
49:12
digested and bone extract.
49:14
And although you can get the profiles from the bone extract at that point,
49:17
there's not
49:18
that much of a point into going that route.
49:21
All it does is save you a little bit of time off of loading on the actual CE
49:26
instrument.
49:27
So I would not recommend this for low quality or medium quality bones.
49:30
I would stick to your original methods where you're really going to save time
49:35
here and
49:35
get good results as those high quality samples.
49:40
So I want to throw in a mention here for the application note that Thirbo has
49:44
released
49:45
for bone sample processing and the rapid hit ID system with rapid intel
49:49
cartridges.
49:50
DNA Labs International in addition to a couple of their laboratories as well
49:54
participated
49:55
in sharing their research and their methods for how they process bones using
50:00
the rapid
50:00
hit ID system.
50:02
So I would say if your laboratory is evaluating whether or not to bring this
50:05
online, this
50:06
would be a great resource to see the different options that other laboratories
50:12
are using.
50:14
So what else can we do for use this for rapid testing and bones?
50:18
You might be wondering who cares if you save a day or two processing, what
50:22
would require
50:23
you wanting to have these quick results.
50:27
So re-associations a big one for us.
50:29
So small plane crashes, dismemberment cases where we're trying to re-associate
50:35
all the
50:35
fragments of remains back to one individual.
50:38
We're able to rapidly do that.
50:41
If you think of cases especially with highly fragmented remains, we might have
50:44
an individual
50:45
who has in 50 different evidence submissions.
50:49
This would be a great option.
50:51
A lot less hands on time and makes your people doing manual extractions
50:55
probably really happy
50:56
with you.
50:57
It's also great in disaster human identification where you're trying to quickly
51:02
get answers
51:03
for the families that have lost loved ones and then rush cases.
51:07
So we still have Buckleswax processed in our traditional methods in our
51:11
laboratory.
51:12
But if you have an individual that is a case where they need very quick results
51:17
, this is
51:18
a great option where you can get your full DNA profile in 90 minutes.
51:26
So what do we do then?
51:27
If it's disaster human identification, we will do parent child siblings, half
51:32
sibling
51:33
relationships so that we can compare to that unknown profile and identify
51:39
through kinship.
51:41
What else can you do?
51:42
So if you don't want to just only do bones on your rapid-hit ID system, it's
51:46
also great
51:47
for muscles, organs, I would say, tread carefully with a spleen or brain sample
51:53
because those
51:54
will clog the system as well.
51:56
So really with the heart and liver, what we were doing is just kind of mincing
51:59
the sample
52:01
and taking that forward.
52:02
But I would say samples like spleen or brain that kind of, for lack of a better
52:06
term,
52:07
when they go into the cartridge, I would recommend swabbing the tissue or the
52:11
organ opposed to
52:12
actually putting it into the cartridge.
52:15
These work excellent, we love teeth.
52:18
And then as I mentioned, those rush cases for buckles, swabs, or body fluids.
52:24
So what else is new?
52:25
I mentioned a little bit on our large scale extraction methods.
52:29
These are for very degraded bones and it's a large scale format to produce
52:33
higher yields
52:33
of DNA.
52:34
So larger quantities of DNA is what we need for genealogy testing.
52:39
It's also great when you want samples to go more than one direction.
52:43
So sometimes we want that SNP profile for genealogy, but we also need an STR
52:47
profile
52:48
to be submitted for codis upload potentially with a vendor or with the vendor
52:53
laboratory
52:54
going to the end is participating laboratory.
52:56
And we'd like to save extract if we can for future testing or defense testing.
53:02
So this is a great option where you're going to high yields a DNA to meet all
53:05
the needs
53:06
of testing for your case.
53:08
I just want to touch on our hashtag DNA opt in campaign.
53:14
DNA Labs International has launched this campaign in the past year to try to
53:18
encourage people
53:19
to opt in their profiles for law enforcement on JEDMATCH and family tree DNA.
53:25
So anyone and everyone can help solve crime.
53:27
You may even know someone who has been the victim of a violent crime or had a
53:31
loved one
53:31
who has gone missing.
53:33
These photos are the faces of the many victims of unsolved violent homicides.
53:37
It was our mission to find justice for them.
53:39
Opting in your DNA and JEDMATCH may help investigators to find a killer, a
53:43
rapist or identify the
53:45
thousands of unidentified remains and works around the country.
53:49
It really is truly just so sad, especially if you look at the NICMEC map and
53:54
see how many
53:55
unidentified remains of children in particular, but it dolts as well.
53:59
It's in the thousands.
54:01
So as friends and scientists, it'd be great if we can spread the word that opt
54:04
in for
54:05
law enforcement can help give answers to some of these cool cases.
54:11
Here are some references for you.
54:12
So I mentioned that application note released by Thermo.
54:16
There's a link to this here.
54:19
Also name of the DUD confronting the rallies of rapid identification of
54:22
degraded skeletal
54:23
remains by SUNY-ADSA.
54:25
And then a couple other resources just that I've mentioned here as well for you
54:30
to refer
54:31
to.
54:32
I'm happy to always answer any questions.
54:34
So as well, if you want, just give me an email or feel free to call as well.
54:40
And we're always happy to share information.
54:42
I want to give a special thanks to Forensic Magazine, Thermo Fisher as well,
54:47
for providing
54:48
us this opportunity to share this information.
54:50
And my team at DNA Labs are national.
54:53
Without you all, none of this would be possible.
54:55
So thank you so much.
54:56
And thank you for the entire audience for your attention today.
55:00
Thank you, Sherri and Rachel, for that great information and insight.
55:06
Audience, it is almost time for the Q&A portion of our webinar.
55:09
If you have not already, please take a minute to ask our presenters a question
55:13
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55:13
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55:16
Unfortunately, Sherri won't be able to join us for the Q&A due to unforeseen
55:21
circumstances,
55:22
but we still got Rachel, so don't be shy with the questions for her.
55:26
Additionally, if you do have a question for Sherri, please do send it
55:29
regardless, and
55:29
we will make sure she gets it and provides an answer for you.
55:33
Why do you think about your questions?
55:35
For our presenters, we're going to throw up three polling questions for you
55:38
very quickly.
55:39
Our first question is, how many bone samples does your laboratory process per
55:47
year?
55:47
None, one to 50, 51 to 100, 101 to 500, or over 500.
55:58
Take a minute to go ahead and let us know about your laboratory.
56:02
I'll gather these results right here.
56:05
It looks like most of you guys are doing one to 50.
56:11
All right, let's move on to our next one.
56:16
Audience, how prepared is your agency to handle disaster victim ID situations?
56:24
Your options are not prepared at all, somewhat prepared, but need improvement.
56:32
Fully prepared, ready for anything.
56:35
Go ahead and take a minute to tell us how your agency handles the DVI
56:40
situations.
56:41
All right, let's see what you said.
56:45
That's great.
56:46
It looks like most of you, our majority of you, are prepared by needing a
56:51
little improvement.
56:53
I'll tell some of you, a good portion of you are fully prepared and ready for
56:56
anything.
56:57
Always good in today's world.
56:59
All right, last question before we get Rachel up here.
57:05
Our last question is, would you like to receive more information on today's web
57:10
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57:11
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57:16
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57:20
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57:22
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57:24
Yes, please send me pricing info and technical specs on the rapid hit ID system
57:29
Yes, I would like to discuss further with a live person.
57:32
We're known not at this time.
57:34
Go ahead and take a minute and then we will gather these poll results and let
57:42
you guys
57:43
see what you said.
57:44
Thanks so much.
57:46
That's great insight from you guys.
57:48
We appreciate you taking the time to do these polling questions.
57:56
Now we are going to get to the extra fun part of the Q&A section.
58:01
Rachel, we have a bunch of questions for you coming in.
58:04
My first question for you is, what is the oldest bone you have obtained a
58:12
profile from?
58:13
I say the oldest bone that I have obtained a DNA profile from was from the 1800
58:18
So really, it depends on the bone condition because then we've also had bones
58:23
that were
58:23
from the last decade where you struggle to get a profile sometimes.
58:27
So it really has to do with the environment that the bone has been in and how
58:31
the evidence
58:31
has been preserved.
58:33
Wow, that's incredibly cool.
58:37
It's fantastic technology on your part.
58:40
That's great.
58:41
Okay, so do you have any more tips for our lab researchers for evaluating bone
58:47
quality
58:47
prior to processing if age is unknown?
58:52
For us, it's really about the visual evaluation.
58:55
So a lot of times we have bones coming in.
58:58
We will ask for them to send pictures of the remains so that we can try to
59:03
select from
59:04
the photos so that we're not receiving full skeletons at the laboratory all the
59:08
time.
59:08
Our evidence manager would kill me if we did that.
59:12
So usually we ask for photographs, but then a lot of times you really have to
59:15
physically
59:16
see it in person.
59:17
So we're looking for discoloration, how thick and how dense the bone is.
59:22
If there's excess spongy bone, those are things that are red flags for quality.
59:27
When we're looking at teeth, we're trying to avoid any teeth that have cavities
59:31
in them
59:31
as well.
59:32
So those can all be signs that you might have a little bit of difficulty with
59:36
the bone.
59:37
Okay, gotcha.
59:40
So how do you power the samples without spreading the DNA particles throughout
59:46
the entire laboratory?
59:48
So this is a question that came in, I believe, for Shari.
59:51
I would feel free to recommend following up with her as well.
59:55
But we also use Dremels in our laboratory, so I felt like I could probably help
59:59
out with
59:59
that a little bit.
01:00:00
We use specialized hoods with filtration devices that our ventilators have
01:00:05
airflow.
01:00:06
So you can literally, as your sandings see the bone powder lifting up for
01:00:11
anything that
01:00:12
comes loose, but the rest that we have down in our working areas, collected
01:00:16
into wayboats
01:00:17
when we're doing that.
01:00:19
Okay, gotcha.
01:00:21
Well, while we're talking about sanding, once a bone sample is cleaned via sand
01:00:27
ing or
01:00:28
another method, do you believe it is necessary to use bleach rather than a more
01:00:33
gentle detergent
01:00:34
wash before patterning or getting the DNA extraction process?
01:00:40
We don't use bleach directly on the bones at our laboratory, so we do bleach
01:00:43
all the
01:00:44
tools that we use and the surfaces that within that hood has to be cleaned very
01:00:49
, very carefully
01:00:50
in between samples.
01:00:52
But on the actual bone itself, we use ethanol and water washes.
01:00:57
I'm always cautious of ever applying bleach to bones because I just worry about
01:01:02
it affecting
01:01:03
the quality of the sample.
01:01:04
I know a lot of laboratories do, but ours after sanding, I don't see any need
01:01:08
of doing any
01:01:09
washes outside of ethanol and water.
01:01:12
Okay.
01:01:13
Then after all this, how do you know when a bone sample is completely dry?
01:01:20
So part of it is just actually physically looking at it.
01:01:23
So we have them drying in a vented hood and they're in a wayboat.
01:01:27
So our last wash is an ethanol wash, which really helps to dry a lock quicker.
01:01:32
But you'll see if you go in and slip that fragment, there will still be liquid
01:01:36
remaining
01:01:37
on your wayboat.
01:01:38
So it's usually pretty obvious, but we give it a good half hour hour and make
01:01:41
sure that
01:01:42
it's completely dry.
01:01:44
And at that point too, we're dealing with a very small bone fragment.
01:01:47
So it's not like you're trying to dry out an entire femur bone.
01:01:50
We just have a small fragment that's perfectly clean with a smooth surface at
01:01:55
that point.
01:01:56
Aren't it possible to know how old the bones you're treating are?
01:02:04
So a lot of times as the bones, you have to go off of the information that's
01:02:07
been provided
01:02:08
to you by the investigator.
01:02:09
But you can also tell visually.
01:02:11
I will say a caveat to that is that a lot of times bone samples could be a
01:02:16
really fresh
01:02:17
sample, but maybe it's been exposed in very harsh conditions.
01:02:20
So it can give the appearance of being older.
01:02:24
When in doubt, I would just say it depends on how much sample you have, but if
01:02:28
you're
01:02:29
concerned about your quality, I maybe wouldn't go straight to rapid at that
01:02:32
point.
01:02:33
Unless you have plenty of samples to work with, then you could always try rapid
01:02:36
and
01:02:36
then move on to a demideralization, followed by an organic maybe to clean that
01:02:41
off as need
01:02:42
be.
01:02:43
Okay.
01:02:44
Now how do you prepare teeth for analysis?
01:02:48
For teeth, if it's going, the rapid will simply just crush the tooth and remove
01:02:55
any enamel.
01:02:57
And then the remainder of the tooth is going to go into that rapid cartridge.
01:03:00
If it's not going for rapid and we're going to go demideralization, then we'll
01:03:04
still crush
01:03:05
it and remove the enamel.
01:03:06
But then it's going to go through the mixer mill and get powdered to that fine
01:03:10
powder
01:03:10
prior to extraction.
01:03:12
Okay.
01:03:13
We have a user over here that's wondering what your experience has been Rachel
01:03:20
with water
01:03:21
logged bone samples.
01:03:22
You've kind of had to have some trouble using various extraction methods or
01:03:25
commercial
01:03:26
chemistries over the years.
01:03:28
What do you use for water logged bone samples?
01:03:32
Our water logged bone samples, it would depend on how long it's been in the
01:03:36
water.
01:03:37
We get a lot of small plane crashes and things like that where maybe it's only
01:03:42
been in the
01:03:42
sea for up to a few days.
01:03:45
I find that they actually work great.
01:03:46
We're lucky down in South Florida here that we have high salt water content and
01:03:50
things
01:03:50
like that.
01:03:51
So I find that it actually does really great at preserving the remains.
01:03:55
Those are samples that we would even consider going forward with rapid on.
01:03:59
Other samples though say it's been in water for years and years and years.
01:04:04
I actually also had really good luck with those as well as long as it's salt
01:04:08
water where
01:04:09
things have been a little trickier if it's in like say a acidic fog or
01:04:13
something like
01:04:14
that where it's going to be a harsher condition.
01:04:17
In those cases it would not attempt the rapid at all and I would go straight
01:04:21
forward with
01:04:22
demonuralization and organic.
01:04:24
Okay.
01:04:25
Now you mentioned that salt water in Florida is great for the bones.
01:04:29
What about temperature?
01:04:30
Does temperature affect the quality of DNA extracted from bone?
01:04:35
Yes.
01:04:36
Anytime you have really really high temperatures so like explosions where there
01:04:40
was maybe a
01:04:40
sustained fire with high heat for a long period of time that affects the
01:04:45
quality as well as
01:04:47
sometimes when we have samples maybe from up north that have been exposed to
01:04:50
multiple
01:04:51
freeze saws so you have their remains being frozen and then come spring they
01:04:55
saw out again
01:04:56
and then go through that cycle again for decades.
01:04:59
That can also have a negative effect on the quality of the sample.
01:05:03
Okay.
01:05:06
Now have you worked with an evaluated sample exposed to extreme conditions such
01:05:12
as disaster
01:05:13
victims or those recovered from seawater like you mentioned?
01:05:18
Yes.
01:05:19
I'd say a big portion of the types of remain identifications we do are from you
01:05:26
know,
01:05:26
fragmented remains from say like a plane crash or something like that so this
01:05:31
would be a
01:05:31
great option for processing those and it really depends again with anything
01:05:37
involving
01:05:37
explosions or anything like that how high the temperature was if it was a
01:05:41
sustained fire
01:05:42
for an extended period of time.
01:05:44
With that said though, we've gotten great results on samples that have been in
01:05:48
car fires for
01:05:48
an extended period of time too.
01:05:50
Sometimes it is just a lot of the draw.
01:05:52
Okay.
01:05:53
What about cremated remains?
01:05:55
Are you able to get a DNA profile from that?
01:06:00
Some of the remains are very challenging.
01:06:02
A lot of times too that would depend on the actual individual that was cremated
01:06:07
so if
01:06:08
you have someone with say a much higher fat content, it's very unlikely that
01:06:13
you're going
01:06:13
to have anything of substance loss as a cremated remains a lot of time.
01:06:17
Whereas say very thin individual you may still have bone fragments remaining.
01:06:22
I would say it's a incredibly challenging sample but if there are any fragments
01:06:26
remaining
01:06:26
that's definitely always something that you could look at.
01:06:29
I would not recommend that for rapid would be something that you would want to
01:06:32
go a more
01:06:32
sensitive route like a demeneralization to try to maximize any DNA that can be
01:06:38
obtained.
01:06:40
Right of course.
01:06:42
Now how many swabs do you need to take from the organs when testing?
01:06:48
We would just do a single swab going into the cartridge so you can always, it
01:06:52
depends
01:06:52
on how much larger piece of organ or tissue is.
01:06:56
You could just press into that swab and kind of roll it is how we do it to try
01:07:00
to absorb
01:07:00
some of the blood and the fluid from that tissue.
01:07:03
Okay wow.
01:07:05
Now what is your recommended approach to ideating a severe burn victim for whom
01:07:12
there
01:07:13
is no large skeletal remains like a femur, cibio, rib or so?
01:07:18
If there is no large skeletal remains?
01:07:22
A lot of times if it is burn victim first we will attempt for tissue.
01:07:27
So I would always ask for a piece of the psoas muscle which is kind of
01:07:30
protected in that
01:07:31
hip pocket.
01:07:32
So a lot of times even if there is no surface tissue you might be able to still
01:07:35
get tissue
01:07:36
from within that hip pocket.
01:07:38
After that really it's just what's available.
01:07:41
I feel like a lot of times teeth can persist in fire situations so we'll always
01:07:46
ask for
01:07:47
molars or cavity free first and then after that we would ask for a femur or any
01:07:52
available
01:07:53
lawn bone.
01:07:54
Gotcha.
01:07:55
Okay.
01:07:56
Last question I have where we run another time.
01:07:59
Did you try to use freezer meals for powder?
01:08:04
We did not.
01:08:05
We used to use blender cups and then we moved on to mixer meal.
01:08:08
Gotcha.
01:08:09
Okay.
01:08:10
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