Chris Carney 70 min

Rapid DNA Booking Station - Implementation Considerations and Best Practices


Every minute that a crime remains unsolved is time for someone else to become a victim. With Rapid DNA, suspects can now be identified or excluded in as little as 90 min. In this webinar, learn how to successfully harness the power of Rapid DNA in the booking station -- from two experts with many years of experience implementing successful DNA databasing programs. It’s time to expedite crime-solving with Rapid DNA. Key topics explored by these experts include: • Key requirements for deploying a successful Rapid DNA booking station program, including Live Scan and criminal history information integration. • Building successful partnerships between law enforcement agencies and CODIS DNA laboratories. • Best practices and tips based on real world testing in the booking station environment



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First, you will hear from Joni Bracado, who is the department head of the

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Science program at Louisiana State University Health Science Center.

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In addition, she acts as a rapid DNA user group facilitator and implementation

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for agencies seeking to implement rapid DNA responsibly and efficiently.

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Previously, Joni worked at the Louisiana State Police Crime Laboratory for 17

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years as the

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DNA manager for both forensic casework and codis.

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Louisiana was an early adopter of arrestee legislation and successfully

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integrated arrestee

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collections into the live-scan AFIS booking process in the early 2000s.

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Next, you will hear from Chris Carney.

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For the past 11 years, Chris has worked on initiatives to advance rapid DNA

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technology,

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including collaborations to develop a seamless interface for rapid DNA systems

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at booking

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into a fully electronic process requiring no human intervention for data entry

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or DNA

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data review.

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Chris has more than 27 years of forensic experience, including extensive

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knowledge of information

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technology systems supporting DNA data-basing laboratories.

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his experience

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with rapid DNA from the law enforcement perspective.

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Craig has more than 25 years of correctional law enforcement experience with

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the Leon County

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Sheriff's Office.

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He is currently the captain over the Operations Bureau, which includes

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responsibility for intake,

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leasing, court, and medical services.

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His agency has been working with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on

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rapid arrestee

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DNA testing at booking.

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So welcome to the Rapid DNA Booking Station implementation best practices web

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inar.

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I'm Joanie Burkata and I'm going to go through an overview of some of the

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things needed to

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implement testing via Rapid DNA right at the booking station.

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And then Chris will follow up and really touch on some of the policies,

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procedures, and the

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process known as authority operate that is required to perform this testing.

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And then I'll really talk about some of his real life experiences on a pilot

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done in Florida.

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So let's get started.

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All right.

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So this is just some of the things that we're going to talk about today.

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We're going to go through the impact of Rapid DNA.

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We're going to go through kind of history of Rapid DNA.

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We'll touch on some of the booking station requirements.

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And then we'll spend some time talking about the critical points for

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implementation and

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approaches that some states and agencies have used.

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And then we'll finish up with some of the funding and potential resources.

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All right.

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So let's begin with the impact of Rapid DNA in the booking station.

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So remember today we're going to be focusing on booking station implementation

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right.

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But remember there's other uses for Rapid DNA.

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Some are using them for investigational purpose so investigational leads.

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Some states are looking at it for identification of deceased victims.

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But today our focus is really going to be on the booking station.

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All right.

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So what I think it's important to actually be doing the DNA testing in the

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booking station

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at the time at a rest.

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My point is that time matters.

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If we take an example of a case.

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So there was a case out of the Orleans area in which a female in December 2016

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was jogging

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along the Mississippi River Leve.

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She was attacked from behind.

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She was drunk down the levee and badly beaten and raped.

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Then a profile was developed but no codice yet attained.

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Then some almost two years later another victim around the same area right was

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attacked, pulled

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behind a grocery store, knocked unconscious and raped.

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Once again same DNA profile but no codice yet.

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Then it wasn't until October of 2019.

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This individual Navari Henderson was arrested on a completely unrelated offense

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He was arrested for domestic violence.

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His DNA was collected at the rest the booking station collected innocent off to

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the state

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lab.

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He was subsequently released from jail.

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He fled Louisiana.

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It wasn't until December of 2019 that his arrest sample is worked and it then

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matches

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to this 2016 and 2018 case.

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It's at that time that they realized he had been released from prison and then

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law enforcement

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now has to go search for him.

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It would be really important.

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I mean we can really save some time if his DNA was able to have been run in

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October of

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2019 because a lot can happen between that collection and those actual results.

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We're going to try and close some of those time gaps in this process.

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What are some of those benefits?

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We can improve our current same arrest sample collection compliance.

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We need to look at really embedding that DNA analysis into the booking process.

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In a lot of states they arrest someone.

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They book someone.

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They fingerprint someone.

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Then the DNA collections is kind of like this side piece to that process.

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We need to use this as an opportunity to really embed those arrest collection

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into the booking

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process.

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Someone doesn't get booked without their fingerprints being collected.

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We need to make it common practice that they don't get booked unless they're

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fingerprints

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and we know we have DNA for this person.

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We can use it to prevent this sample.

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The other thing, just as we explained previously.

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We can get these results in as little as 90 minutes versus days, weeks or

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months.

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The whole goal is to really get these codus hits before the suspect is released

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from custody.

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What kind of impact can this have?

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Obviously, the sooner we can identify a potential suspect, the better it is

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closure wise for

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victims, for families.

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We can help prevent future victims.

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Law enforcement.

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We can really impact law enforcement safety and the manpower.

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It takes a lot of manpower for this law enforcement then to get these hits and

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then try and track

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down now where is this individual.

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Then ultimately we can even reduce the loads that are on some of our very tax

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crime labs

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by performing some of this testing right there in the booking station.

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If we take just a very high level simplistic view of how this collection might

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happen in

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the booking station, let's go through that.

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Someone's arrested and they're booked and then we're going to swab the rest of

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the

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sheet and collect the DNA right there at the booking station.

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We then can put that swab into the rapid DNA instrument and really within up to

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90 minutes

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we can generate a DNA profile that then can be searched in codus.

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When it's searched, then a DNA profile hit could be generated.

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Really, within just a couple hours, we could generate this hit.

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Then the law enforcement agencies at the booking station and at the

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investigating agency can

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be notified that this individual is currently in custody and then they can

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start the steps

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to evaluating that codus hit.

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This in general lets just touch back on some of the rapid DNA timeline.

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So in 2017, a rapid DNA app was passed.

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It basically authorized the FBI to develop standards and procedures for the use

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of rapid

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DNA.

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Since that time, the real focus has been on booking station procedures,

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policies, how

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is codus going to function.

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In 2018, there were updates to the codus software to be able to perform some of

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these tasks and

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how some of the new data that was needed.

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In 2019, the FBI performed a pilot of these booking stations with five key

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states.

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So Arizona, Florida, California, Texas, and Louisiana performed these booking

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station

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pilot studies.

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And then in 2020, there was issuance of standards and procedures that needed to

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be followed in

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order to perform rapid DNA testing in the booking station.

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So this really set the stage now for states and laboratories and law

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enforcement to be

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able to comply with these procedures and hopefully go live in 2021 with this

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actually occurring

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in the booking station.

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Alright, so when we look at some of these booking station requirements, let's

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talk about what

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we're talking about.

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So first of all, these four, for the United States, right, these are the three

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guidance

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documents that have been issued in 2020 by the FBI.

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And they're basically the operational procedures manual and the requirements to

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perform rapid

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DNA testing in these booking stations.

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If you're interested in doing this, you've got to take the time to read these

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three critical

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documents.

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Alright, so what are some of the key program requirements, right?

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So first of all, you've got to have legal authority for resty collection and

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rapid DNA.

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Now I do know in some states you may not have a resty legislation.

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I know in some states I've heard them talk about in Louisiana particularly even

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the ability

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to collect your sex offender and your convicted offenders through this same

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process.

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Louisiana has a process where just for normal DNA, we bring those sex offenders

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back to

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a live skin instrument to collect those samples so we could also use that same

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technology

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for those as well.

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Alright, then we need it in this approved rapid DNA systems.

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Those now exist or in the final stages of approval.

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And then a state has to apply for authority to operate from the FBI.

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So your state codist laboratories will be doing this application and Chris is

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going to go

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through this in much more detail for us.

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But basically embedded in there will be things such as training programs,

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development of

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statewide policy and procedures and then how are we going to audit these

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booking stations.

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So all of that isn't going to be embedded into those policies and procedures.

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Now one of the critical first steps in all of this is really understanding

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where is your

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state currently with a resty collections, right?

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How are you currently collecting those arresty samples?

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One thing you need to know is that there's a process that already exists to

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book people.

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It's very standard to book someone through a live skin booking process.

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And during this process the individual is booked and their fingerprints are

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collected

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and a lot of their data and information is collected at that time such as

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fingerprints

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and generation of what's called a state identification number.

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That's a really critical point because it's really an idea that is specific for

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that specific

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person.

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So when we talk about rapid DNA what we want to do is not recreate a process.

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We really want to integrate that rapid DNA process into this booking station

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system that

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already exists.

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All right, so don't close your computer on me.

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This is just a workflow and I know it can seem a little overwhelming at first

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but really

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lets just kind of break it down to some simplistic points.

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On the left hand side you can see one of these live skin instruments.

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This is already where someone being arrested and booked has to stand up in

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front of this

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instrument to get their picture taken, to get their fingerprints taken.

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And what we want to do is integrate our DNA collection into that process.

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From there data can then be packaged up and sent over to the right hand side

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which is

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our rapid DNA instrument and related software.

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We then would run the DNA sample and then package electronically the DNA

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profile with

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the rusty information.

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That information can then be sent over to the CODIS laboratory CODIS work

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station for

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then a subsequent search within CODIS.

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So what's important here is that there's many different ways to integrate into

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this

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system and it's all going to be dependent on what parts of the process does

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your state

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already have in place.

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And so everybody's workflow may look slightly different depending on what parts

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of the process

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you already have in place.

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Once again we don't want to reinvent the wheel here.

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We want to integrate into what already exists.

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So what are some critical points for implementation and approaches that have

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been done?

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So I've broken it down into three basic critical points.

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So the first is this capture of a rusty information.

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And then we're going to run the DNA profile and marry it with that and then we

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've got

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to send that message over to CODIS.

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So how are we going to get that message to CODIS?

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And then once it gets to CODIS and it can occurs how are we going to then

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notify the

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the rusty booking station and investigating law enforcement station that a hit

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has occurred.

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So let's go through some of that required information.

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So the first is this capture of the rusty information.

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And so according to some of these required documents, right, we need to be able

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to generate

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this arresti enrollment format.

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This is a lot of information when you look at the bottom here.

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It's really information that already exists at your live scan instrument.

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So what we want to be able to do is then capture that data into a file.

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And really your live scan vendors have been actively working on this.

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And they now know how to create a file of just the information that is required

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for

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this process.

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All right.

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This is just an example of how Louisiana prior to rapid DNA already had access

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to much

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of this information.

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So you can see here on the right.

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This is a DNA sample collection sheet that Louisiana has been using for many,

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many years.

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And they basically are capturing that information right there out of the

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electronic fingerprint

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system.

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And so most of all that data that's needed for that AEF file is right there at

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the booking

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station live scan instrument.

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All right.

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Now we need to marry up that that arresti information with that codus profile.

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And there's many different ways that that might happen.

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What's important for you to know is that really the live scan and the rapid DNA

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vendors have

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already developed these integrated methods to be able to combine this data.

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So you need to really lean on those vendors and their IT support for the

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generation of

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this and know that they have been working already to really develop these integ

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rations

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and they already exist.

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All right.

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So as we begin to integrate the DNA collections into this booking station

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process, there's

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some real benefits that can come out of this integration process.

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For one, you can integrate your state laws or your statute codes right there

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into the

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live scan instrument.

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And so we take the manual process out of that.

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We can use that software to really tell us automatically, is this a qualified

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instance

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for which DNA should be collected.

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Louisiana has been integrated this way since about 2004.

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The other thing that Louisiana really used this live scan integration to do is

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to integrate

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its codus laboratory system to the computerized criminal history process.

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In other words, we can go in and flag the computerized criminal history to say

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DNA is

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already on file at the state lab.

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And so therefore, we don't need another sample.

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This is a great opportunity to really integrate that part of the process.

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This is very powerful because it really helps decrease duplication and waste of

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time and

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consumables at the booking station.

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So once again, we just want to really use this as an opportunity to integrate

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into this

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booking process that already exists.

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All right.

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So now we have our restee sample.

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We have our restee information.

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We run that sample.

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We generate a DNA profile.

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And now we've got to create this message, this codus message that then can be

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sent to

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codus.

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Once again, this message is really just the marrying of that restee information

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with

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your codus profile.

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And once again, the rapid DNA vendors have already figured out how to create

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this rapid

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import CNF file.

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But that's how we're going to get our information into codus.

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All right.

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And finally, once we get the sample into codus, a search occurs and then we get

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a hit.

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Now what's different about the process?

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The difference is that on a routine hit, law enforcement is usually notified

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about a

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codus hit either through a telephone call or a letter that is sent out, maybe

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emailed

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out, some notification system.

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But now we really need to expedite that process because we need to notify them

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that a hit has

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occurred while that individual is still at the booking station.

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All right.

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So we need to notify the restee booking station, the investigating case agency

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and the codus.

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And so that is going to be done through a process that's called an unsolicited

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DNA

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hit notification.

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And it's going to use the inlet system, which is basically a national law

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enforcement telecommunication

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system.

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It is a program that law enforcement already monitors 24/7.

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It's what is routinely used for their wants and warrants.

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So once again, we're just going to piggyback on a process that law enforcement

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already

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has and already uses to send out these notifications very, very quickly.

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All right.

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The other thing is that the profiles that are being searched while at the

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booking station,

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right, are really just our most violent crimes.

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It's going to be DNA profiles that have been put into this DNA index of special

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concern

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or disk profiles.

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This is an index that contains sexual assault, homicide, kidnapping, terrorism,

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right?

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And they've got special data that has been added to those profiles, right?

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We need to know who's investigating agents, who's the point of contact.

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And so that data has been added to these program profiles.

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So the laboratories do need to be working on populating this index and figuring

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out how

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to capture this extra information, such as sexual limitations on the particular

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crime.

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All right.

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And then let's finally touch on funding and potential resources.

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There are federal grants such as NIJ grants and BJA that already allow for

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rapid DNA for

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booking stations to be a qualifying use of those grant funds.

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Additionally, there are congressional delegation earmarked funds that we have

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recently found

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out about.

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So if you're interested in that, make sure you contact your congressional

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delegation

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to find out about those funds.

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And then finally, we need to be talking to our state and local law enforcement

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associations,

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local leaders, and really talking about and making a case for why we need rapid

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DNA in

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the booking station, why it's important to invest in this.

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If you want more information on funding, please visit this website, policegr

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antshelp.com

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and also I've added Lisa Hirsch, her direct email address.

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She would be glad to assist in helping with you explore funding opportunities.

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All right.

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And then finally, just to summarize, right?

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We need to be looking at this as an opportunity to really improve our current

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arrestee collection,

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really make it part of the normal booking process.

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We need to tap into those booking station processes that already exist.

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Use your live skin and rapid DNA vendors' IT resources.

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They have many resources and they've already been working on how to make these

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files and

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communications happen much more seamlessly.

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And then like I said, we really have an opportunity here to improve our arrest

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ee collections and

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really use it as an opportunity to prevent missed DNA collections and dupl

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ications.

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All right.

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And then finally, thank you for taking this time to listen about rapid DNA,

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booking station,

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implementation.

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Here's my email address.

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Feel free to reach out to me for any assistance you might need.

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Hi, my name is Chris Carney and I'm the supervisor of the Florida Department of

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Law Enforcement's

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DNA investigative support database.

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I'm generally much more relaxed going to these, given these live where I can

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pace back and

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forth around podiums.

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I bear with me for the next 20 minutes or so while I share some of the key

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points that

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we've learned in working with rapid DNA at booking.

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So I'll be hitting the following items today, which I think are the most

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important aspects

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of implementing DNA into the booking environment.

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This includes high-level tech recap, elements of the authority to operate and

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the benefits

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of the technology.

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FTL is required to maintain a vendor agnostic position.

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However, we actively participate in advancing the science and technology

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involved in forensic

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science.

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So due to this, names of commercial manufacturers are provided for

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identification purposes only

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and inclusion does not imply endorsement of the manufacturer or its products or

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services

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by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

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The views expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the

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official

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position or policy or position of FTL.

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So in a nutshell, you need the following four technological essentials to

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incorporate rapid

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DNA into a booking environment.

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I was very lucky in that Florida began to work on an integrated criminal

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history system

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in the early 2000s and began to track towards phasing and felony arrest e-leg

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islation around

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2007.

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So we had the framework of some of these elements, namely bullet two, a system

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in place to identify

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qualifying offenders at the time this wild is collected prior to any of the

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mind-boggling

31:17

and rapid DNA.

31:20

Our system isn't totally what we have envisioned.

31:25

It could be expanded fund, but we've established through more recent rapid DNA

31:30

testing that

31:30

it gets the job done for implementing rapid DNA booking for arrestees and

31:37

satisfies both

31:39

elements of the system that are required.

31:43

So if you're interested in establishing rapid DNA booking, what should you

31:49

focus on?

31:50

Well, as most of you are aware, rapid DNA testing has been ongoing for quite

31:56

some time now,

31:58

and systems have been or are in the process of being approved for booking.

32:04

So bullet one is solved.

32:07

Additionally, there are several vendors such as Cross Match, DataWorks Plus,

32:13

and Idemium,

32:14

who are subject matter experts in 10-print and biometric identification systems

32:19

In other words, solving bullet two.

32:24

All you need to do is identify your needs, your requirements, put them into an

32:30

invitation

32:30

to negotiate, bid specs, what do you have to do in your agency, and let the

32:37

vendors determine

32:38

how to solve it.

32:41

Finally, let the rapid DNA vendors and the biometric records vendors determine

32:47

how to

32:47

integrate their systems.

32:49

I know that I had a different integration and vision, but when it came down to

32:53

it, the

32:54

vendor-collaborated approach provided a much better solution with less moving

33:02

parts.

33:03

So what should you focus on?

33:06

Focus on this.

33:08

Ultimately, I knew that we needed to establish the communications piece before

33:13

we wasted

33:14

both our time and the vendors' time in tying their systems into the booking

33:20

environment.

33:21

The biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is establishing these communications between

33:26

the booking facility

33:28

and code, is because if you don't have that in place, you can't plan the game.

33:36

But once you have that solved, the rest is cate.

33:39

Again, did I do this on my own?

33:42

Heck no.

33:43

I leaned on some in-house subject matter experts, namely, FTLE's networking

33:50

group, who has

33:51

over sight of the connectivity to booking facilities in the state.

33:55

In that aspect, I'm pretty lucky.

33:57

I know some other agencies and states work a little bit differently.

34:05

Our guys had it solved within a week and probably less than a half a day of

34:10

actual putting

34:12

thought and switching whether they had to switch around because they were awk.

34:20

This is now established.

34:22

We have this network connectivity established for all booking locations within

34:28

the state.

34:30

Now, I'm going to shift focus to the authority to operate.

34:40

This consists of 10 key elements and is the final piece of the puzzle once the

34:45

technology

34:46

has been established.

34:48

Technology, I'm talking about those four tech pieces we just recaped on.

34:55

It's a hefty bit of documentation, but it's required because these booking

35:00

stations are

35:00

essentially going to be extensions of the DNA database and laboratory.

35:06

And using the DNA database and laboratory, we'll have ownership of the data

35:10

that's being

35:11

provided from these booking agencies.

35:18

Of course, the first prerequisite is that you have an arrestee collection

35:22

requirements

35:23

and that you can legally store state identification numbers at your estus level

35:31

of COS.

35:32

But in other words, legal issues.

35:36

If you can do these, if you have the authority for number one and two, then you

35:45

can sign

35:46

MOUs between all the agencies involved and you'll need to establish a training

35:50

program

35:51

for the booking agency personnel.

35:53

There are actually five elements of the ATO on this page, but I combined MOUs

36:01

since everyone

36:02

in their grandma has to sign one.

36:07

So the next five elements are the procedural and/or policy requirements to

36:13

establish for

36:14

the ATO.

36:16

The details of a lot of these will actually be established in tandem with your

36:24

tech requirements.

36:27

So it appears daunting, but it's not that bad.

36:34

So the first are statewide policies, which are summarized.

36:37

They'll be summarized on the next three slides.

36:40

Again, it seems like a lot, but in reality, it isn't unbearable.

36:47

Do you have an arrestee statute that allows for collection at booking?

36:51

When you put a DNA indicator into a computerized criminal history, if you don't

36:57

have either

36:58

of these, then it's a futile effort.

37:00

So talk with your legislators.

37:03

COS specimen ID requirements.

37:09

Unless you insist on populating the spec ID with something special other than

37:15

this WAV ID

37:16

provided by the rapid DNA vendors, then this is easy.

37:21

Remember, the state identification number is what's tying the DNA data or the

37:29

DNA profile

37:31

back to the identity of the individual who provided that sample.

37:35

And the specimen ID is what ties the individual back to the sample that was

37:44

running the rapid

37:46

DNA instrument.

37:48

So the spec ID, it's not the end-all sale.

37:54

It's just kind of an identification of the specimen.

37:58

When you have these encoders, your CID will be in the background tied with that

38:03

specimen

38:04

ID.

38:05

So the CID is the really thing.

38:07

That's what you're really making sure that the proper CID is tied to the DNA

38:13

sample.

38:14

Swab's collect one for the instrument and one regular swab, current swab,

38:20

whatever you

38:21

do right now to be sent into your lab for maintenance.

38:28

That's what our plan is.

38:29

It's your policy to create so you can do what you want.

38:37

To continue swab instrument failures, I would say lean on the vendor, but your

38:46

rapid DNA

38:47

booking procedures and training program need to reflect on how these will be

38:52

handled.

38:53

Authorized use, yeah, only four restee samples.

38:57

No swab and a gentle contraband here, please.

39:04

Slide operators, again, lean on the vendors for supplying training materials

39:09

that meet

39:10

your needs for the operators for their specific rapid DNA systems.

39:17

I mean, you've got a training test and certified before they're able to go

39:26

online.

39:28

Submission, that's through the CRE app.

39:32

You've already established that through our networking paths that I discussed

39:38

earlier.

39:39

Forensic unknown disk enrollment.

39:43

That has an interesting aspect.

39:46

Maybe you could use a pre-log type system.

39:50

I know we have beast as our limb system and there's a pre-log where they can

39:55

check the

39:55

evidence in prior to bringing it in for submission.

39:59

You could use the pre-log to collect the required contact info on the front end

40:05

and require

40:06

for DNA analysis request.

40:10

Maybe require a lay-age on with the law enforcement agency that can be

40:16

contacted 24/7/365.

40:20

This one needs a little bit of discussion to see how we want to handle it with

40:24

an R agency

40:25

and I'm sure every other agency is going to be the same.

40:31

Disk follow-up.

40:32

Yeah, if you have a hit with the disk profile, you still need to reach out and

40:38

see if they're

40:40

aware of the disk hit.

40:41

Sometimes things get missed.

40:46

Message flow, again, this would be established when you put the connectivity to

40:49

the booking

40:50

agency in place.

40:57

Finally these elements will be wrapped up in your statewide policies.

41:07

So again, these should all have been established.

41:11

Let's see, let's look at them.

41:14

The first one, vendor, second one, vendor, third one, vendors.

41:21

Networking is on you, but we're a network team.

41:25

Don't forget to send some love to your network team.

41:34

This one might be tricky according to how many agencies latch on to the

41:39

technology.

41:40

For example, Florida, we have 67 counties, if all 67 counties in Florida

41:45

adopted this,

41:46

then we would probably need more personnel within our section to establish

41:53

these audits.

41:55

If it's adopted in a more regional approach, so it's some of the larger

42:00

agencies, for example,

42:03

Pensacola, let's say let's just count Fduley's regions, Pensacola, Tallahassee,

42:07

Jackson,

42:08

Bill, Orlando, Tampa, Fort Myers, of course you would have some other local

42:14

agencies, Miami

42:15

Day, Broward, Palm Beach that might latch on to it.

42:21

That's a little more manageable.

42:27

So let's look at the benefits of rapid DNA technology at booking.

42:33

This is a poster and I know you probably can't see it well, but it's a poster

42:37

from

42:37

a study of arrestees versus convicted offender collections that was performed

42:43

about three

42:44

years after we began phasing in felony arrests.

42:48

It was performed by our Fduley Statistical Analysis Center.

42:57

The study is titled "Linking CHR, Criminal History Records and DNA Data, Exam

43:03

ining the

43:04

Effects of this Biometric Identifier on the Administration of Criminal Justice

43:10

."

43:10

So what it's looking at is the effects of the DNA biometric on criminal justice

43:18

and

43:19

what happened.

43:24

In essence, the study found that DNA could be taken at arrest approximately 236

43:30

days prior

43:30

to an individual having a collectible conviction.

43:36

And we were collecting all felony convictions at and during the study.

43:43

We were phasing in on arrestees so we had a smaller arrestee population.

43:47

It would be neat to see us go back and reevaluate this study provided funding

43:53

was available

43:55

for it and they were swamped with work.

44:00

So, hits to an arrestee occurred 214 days prior to the arrestee having a

44:10

collectible

44:11

conviction.

44:12

In other words, arrestee collections are really a proactive approach to solving

44:18

or stopping

44:18

criminal acts.

44:22

The bottom line is that arrestee collections mean earlier investigative leads.

44:29

But if arrestee collections work out well then why invest in this new rapid DNA

44:33

technology

44:34

at Bookie?

44:36

Well, because it works and it works well.

44:42

Out of a very limited sample set during the FBI pilot, we had four samples that

44:49

hit two

44:50

other forensic specimens.

44:54

These were all conviction matches and granted they were all conviction matches

44:58

but it showed

44:59

that the system worked and it was kind of exciting.

45:03

You can see we had one arrestee sample that hit two out of state forensic

45:10

specimens.

45:12

They were all related to one another but we were getting an out of state hit

45:17

during

45:17

a very small pilot.

45:24

And during more recent testing we had three more matches identified.

45:30

And remember this is a small county in the Panhandle of Florida.

45:33

It's not a major metropolis.

45:39

So for our matches during this current testing, we weren't able to actually

45:45

search the booking

45:46

sample because of course we don't have an authority to operate.

45:53

We don't have an established system, you know, a system that's established for

45:57

booking

45:58

that we're testing right now.

46:01

But what we did was test our concordant samples that were entered, you know, as

46:06

through our

46:07

normal non-rapid process.

46:15

And these concordant samples which match back to the rapid samples that were

46:20

entered

46:21

booking, they did make matches to three sex assault cases.

46:29

Of course I'm not able to discuss them because they're probably still open but

46:33

just to summarize

46:34

them up.

46:36

One wasn't active case.

46:41

In another state, the offender information would have been obtainable five days

46:46

sooner

46:46

if we had been able to act on the rapid sample.

46:52

The second one, you know, it was a conviction match but it matched the friends

46:56

that come

46:57

known of the subject that was submitted with the case.

47:01

But that information would have been available twenty-eight days sooner than

47:06

when we got,

47:07

you know, our regular offender sample.

47:10

Finally, the third was, you know, a female suspect with an out of county

47:15

warrant for her

47:16

particular case that she was wanted on.

47:21

But we would have had that information available, you know, thirty-seven days

47:26

sooner.

47:27

And potentially even sooner than that, if the agency, the out of county agency

47:31

that had

47:32

picked her up had a rapid DNA system in place, they would have known, you know,

47:41

at that time.

47:44

So time consideration is a major item to think about.

47:52

The turnaround time for a non-rapid DNA arrest collection to make it in the

47:59

code is at best

48:00

and will be approximately thirty days on average.

48:06

So to summarize what we kind of see, you'll have seven days for an agency to

48:12

collect and

48:13

then for us to receive an arrestee sample.

48:16

They don't collect them and send them right away.

48:18

They might capture all of them that they've collected for a week and then send

48:22

them in.

48:23

So at best seven days.

48:26

Okay, once we get the samples, we have to accession them and get them into the

48:35

system.

48:37

So that's on average seven days.

48:39

You know, we've generally got seven days of samples that we're working through.

48:43

So it's at least seven days.

48:46

If it came in right away and it's a rush, of course, these are different

48:49

circumstances.

48:50

But you've got fourteen days to it right there.

48:54

Our average turnaround to get the sample from when it's available to be

49:00

processed and put

49:02

into code is at seven days.

49:07

The once it's encoded, you know, we do nightly searches and this does nightly

49:10

searches so

49:11

it could return a match at that, you know, during that night.

49:17

And then identification, that's kind of hard to say.

49:23

It's a little bit different.

49:25

Doing nightly searches, we've gotten a little bit quicker, probably,

49:30

identifying hits.

49:31

But you still, you have to go pull your case file.

49:35

You're going to have to contact the investigating an agency.

49:39

So three days, it might be a little bit longer.

49:45

Seven days for us to, you know, run a normal hit confirmation, internal hit

49:48

confirmation

49:49

process and release a letter back to the Elder's Lab.

49:59

Three days to release a report to the investigating agency.

50:02

And this is these, the last four bullets or the last three bullets are

50:10

potentially after

50:11

you've identified a hit.

50:13

So you're looking at, you know, at least fourteen days right here.

50:19

I know that every lab's a little bit different.

50:22

Three days, if you were booking it to release a report, you know, have it admin

50:28

, administrator

50:29

reviewed and, you know, get it to the investigating agency.

50:34

And then finally, you know, the investigating agency getting a warrant, I have

50:39

no clue on

50:40

that one.

50:43

So what we've kind of learned in summary, if you're trying to get this bird off

50:47

the

50:47

ground, identifying trust in your subject matter experts early.

50:54

You know, you can find them in-house, you can find them through your vendors

51:00

and within

51:01

the law enforcement agency.

51:03

This is utmost importance.

51:05

You know, you're the subject matter expert in DNA analysis or whatever your

51:12

role is within

51:13

your agency and you're going to have to use these other SMEs to collaborate

51:20

with.

51:21

Have patience in lean on others.

51:23

You know, rapid has been a long time in the making.

51:26

So have patience.

51:31

It's not new, but it is new.

51:34

And don't forget to lean on the others who have, you know, collaborated or

51:39

worked on getting

51:40

wrapped off the ground.

51:43

You're not trying to recreate the wheel here.

51:47

And don't forget that the benefits outweigh the heavy lifts you'll encounter.

51:51

I mean, the juice is worth the squeeze.

51:55

Once you're able to implement a rapid DNA of booking, your code is useful to

52:00

occur much

52:01

sooner.

52:05

You'll alleviate public and officer safety concerns.

52:13

You know, your officers are not having to try to track down the perpetrator if

52:16

they're

52:17

sitting in jail.

52:19

And it should provide faster turnaround in the criminal justice administration

52:25

field.

52:27

That's the, you know, really good benefits and the tips I've learned through

52:34

working

52:35

with this.

52:36

I hope it helps you.

52:39

And thank you for your patience and time.

52:41

And if you have any questions, you can contact me at the following phone number

52:46

email.

52:47

Thank you again.

52:48

Thanks, Joni and Chris for that great information and insight.

52:52

While we get ready for the Q&A in just a few moments, let's move on to a few

52:56

polling questions.

52:57

Our first polling question is, Wendy, thank your agency or jurisdiction will

53:05

start using

53:07

rapid DNA in a booking station.

53:10

This year, next year, in three to five years, in six plus years or never.

53:16

Our next question, if your agency considering using rapid DNA for any of the

53:22

following applications,

53:25

investigative leads, disaster victim ID, code is hit confirmations, reference

53:30

sample processing,

53:32

or other.

53:33

Last question, would you like to receive more information on today's webinar

53:37

topic?

53:37

All right.

53:38

Well, with our poll done it now, we are going to jump to Captain Carol very

53:45

briefly before

53:47

we do the Q&A.

53:48

Captain Carol is going to share his experience with rapid DNA from the law

53:52

enforcement perspective.

53:54

Captain Carol, you're up now.

53:56

Good morning.

53:58

My name is Captain Craig Carol.

54:00

I'm with Leon County Sheriff's Office here in Tallahassee.

54:05

I've been in corrections for about 25 years and we've had the pleasure over the

54:12

past probably

54:12

year and after two years to beta test and to run two of these machines and work

54:19

with

54:20

Chris Carney in this process.

54:23

I've got a point of view from an actual agency that went through this process

54:29

and feet on

54:30

the ground has kind of approached it.

54:32

All right.

54:33

Thank you.

54:34

So, audience, why don't we get into our Q&A now?

54:39

So, first question, Chris, Captain Carol, I think this will be for you.

54:44

Chris, let's get you into the fold right now.

54:48

How much training is needed to operate a rapid DNA instrument in a booking

54:53

station?

54:54

So, the training isn't as intensive as you would have to train someone to work

55:01

in a lab,

55:02

of course.

55:03

What you have to train on is basically the operation of the machine and then

55:08

what to

55:08

do in the instance of troubleshooting the machine if something happens and then

55:15

basically

55:16

who to contact.

55:17

So, how we operated it was that the lieutenants and the booking sergeants were

55:25

the machine

55:26

operators and the lieutenants were like the lead operators when we did testing

55:32

with Leon

55:32

County.

55:34

It seemed to work out very well and then we used to train the trainer method

55:39

following

55:40

that.

55:41

The sergeants could pass the training down onto the booking officers.

55:45

Gotcha.

55:46

Okay, Captain Carol, any thoughts on training from your perspective?

55:51

Yeah, the training was pretty simple and the vendor would come on the site and

55:58

probably

55:59

spend 30 or 45 minutes with different lieutenants and sergeants to create our

56:04

groups and then

56:06

those did the train, the trainer as far as training some more on shift.

56:11

We didn't have to worry about training anybody to actually take samples because

56:15

that is something

56:15

that we already did prior to this.

56:18

We just adapted into, we took two samples.

56:22

One for the way that we have always done it and sent it in and then the new

56:27

sample to

56:27

run through the machine so that part didn't really change but just kind of

56:32

doubled it

56:32

up a little bit there.

56:33

But as far as the operation of the actual machine itself it's all pretty

56:38

straightforward.

56:40

It's not super technical.

56:45

All of our officers had no problems adapting to this process.

56:50

That's great to hear.

56:53

All right, Joni, let's bring you in here.

56:56

Here's a question for you.

56:58

What can I expect when an arrestee DNA matches a crime scene sample in disk?

57:04

The concept is that the software will use the inlet system.

57:13

So it's basically the software, the process that law enforcement currently uses

57:20

for its

57:21

wants and warrants process already.

57:24

So that system is already monitored 24/7 by law enforcement.

57:33

What should happen in those systems is that the agency, the booking agency

57:40

system should

57:41

be notified and then also the law enforcement agency that had submitted the

57:49

evidence profile

57:51

should also be notified.

57:53

And those should be monitored and have specific contact in them so that they

58:00

will be notified

58:02

of those that this individual has hit, let's say to this rate.

58:07

So that should happen pretty quickly through that monitored system.

58:12

Okay, absolutely.

58:14

Kevin, you have any thoughts on that?

58:20

No, I agree with what she said.

58:26

Okay.

58:27

Great.

58:28

All right, Chris.

58:29

Another one for you.

58:30

What is the average time arrestee DNA will be searched against non-disc enabled

58:35

crime scene

58:36

samples?

58:39

So that's something that you can set up within your own state.

58:42

In Florida, we search, we run nightly searches and also the national DNA index

58:48

system, they

58:49

run nightly searches.

58:51

So as soon as arrestee is into the system, it will search the state level cod

58:58

ers and the

59:00

national level coders that night as long as you're performing searching and

59:05

uploading

59:05

schedules on a routine daily basis.

59:08

Oh, that's great.

59:11

That's quick.

59:13

Now when you're using the rapid head machine, is machine able to accept consum

59:18

ables like

59:19

swabs, et cetera, by other companies besides thermophistic scientific?

59:26

Now, I imagine it could.

59:31

We did not do that.

59:33

In our procedures, we used the swabs that coincide with the machine.

59:41

Okay.

59:42

So, Joni, let's say I'm responsible for a booking station and I would like to

59:48

establish rapid

59:49

DNA.

59:50

Who should I reach out to first?

59:52

What are my steps here?

59:54

So I would think if you're your first step in that process would be to reach

01:00:04

out to maybe

01:00:05

you take all of your arrestees to a local jail that is run by a sheriff's

01:00:12

office, so

01:00:13

you're perished jail.

01:00:15

So your first step in thinking the process would be to contact them.

01:00:21

Look at what vendors they use for their live scan instrument.

01:00:27

Next, you need to be in contact with your state CODIS laboratory.

01:00:32

It really needs to be a partnership between that booking station and the state

01:00:38

CODIS laboratory

01:00:41

to begin that process.

01:00:43

And then you'll begin by reaching out to rapid DNA vendors and the live scan

01:00:50

vendors.

01:00:51

So, actually, this type of project is really a partnership kind of project.

01:00:56

So that's where I would start.

01:00:59

Okay.

01:01:00

Gotcha.

01:01:01

Okay.

01:01:02

And just to follow up with the previous question, before Joni's, the rapid hit

01:01:06

ID system does

01:01:07

work with many different types of swabs.

01:01:10

So you do have a flexibility there.

01:01:13

All right, Joni, another one for you quickly before we move on to a few for

01:01:18

Chris.

01:01:19

Besides the REST testing, can the rapid DNA instrument be used for other kinds

01:01:24

of testing?

01:01:25

Yes.

01:01:26

So there are labs and law enforcement agencies currently looking at using this

01:01:35

for investigative

01:01:37

leads.

01:01:38

The touch don't end a little bit also using it to identify disaster victim.

01:01:45

So in the identification of those victims.

01:01:49

So CODIS hit confirmation.

01:01:51

So those are some different areas that this technology could also be used.

01:01:59

Okay.

01:02:00

Now, Chris, can you describe the booking station audit process?

01:02:07

So the audit process, it's not something that we have gotten into detail with

01:02:15

in Florida.

01:02:16

We're going to have to work that out for our authority to operate.

01:02:22

It will have to cover all of the standards for rapid DNA of booking.

01:02:27

And as long as you're fulfilling, you know, the standards of that audit, then

01:02:33

you might

01:02:34

be able to do it a few different ways.

01:02:36

It's just something that we're going to have to put together and submit for

01:02:40

approval and

01:02:41

something that we're comfortable with.

01:02:43

I can talk about in my discussion, Florida has 67 counties in it.

01:02:49

And that's when we're going to have to figure out if every single county

01:02:53

implements something

01:02:55

like this, it's going to be a stretch for our small statewide initiative

01:03:01

section to handle.

01:03:04

If it's regional, it might be a lot easier.

01:03:08

You might have to work with the SINGI side who SINGI's regularly does all of

01:03:13

the criminal

01:03:14

history systems or FCIC terminals around the state.

01:03:18

So we might have to ask them instead of trying to reinvent the wheel ourselves.

01:03:23

Of course.

01:03:24

That makes sense.

01:03:25

And joining anything so after?

01:03:26

Yeah.

01:03:27

I mean, I think it's important to also remember, you know, if you take

01:03:32

Louisiana, right, there's

01:03:34

about 140 booking stations, but, you know, especially in the early stages of

01:03:40

this, I

01:03:41

can't imagine that you would, you know, have the resources to implement this in

01:03:47

140 booking

01:03:48

stations.

01:03:49

But maybe you could look at your very large booking stations, maybe six or

01:03:55

seven in a

01:03:56

state, and be able to cover a good portion of your recipe samples that are

01:04:03

being collected

01:04:04

that then makes that audit more manageable.

01:04:08

We're not talking about auditing 140 booking stations in a state.

01:04:13

Maybe we're talking about auditing six booking stations in a state.

01:04:18

I'm just my thoughts on that.

01:04:20

Absolutely.

01:04:21

Thank you for that.

01:04:22

Are, Chris, how are you receiving the UDN message for a hit?

01:04:28

Are you getting any notifications besides the match message in CODIS?

01:04:33

So, when a hit to a disk profile occurs, then you receive your regular CODIS

01:04:44

match message,

01:04:45

and a UDN would go through the input system to the booking agency as well as

01:04:51

the investigating

01:04:53

agency.

01:04:54

And that's set up through the metadata that's associated with the arrestee

01:05:01

specimen enrollment

01:05:02

and the forensic unknown that you would add metadata in for the forensic

01:05:10

unknown.

01:05:11

So, that's set up through the back end in CODIS.

01:05:13

CODIS has a system that if you look in the options of it, it's in place to

01:05:19

allow these

01:05:20

communications to occur.

01:05:22

And it basically occurs from your state information re-eros through the CJIS

01:05:29

channels.

01:05:29

So, we don't see a UDN, but the agencies through their input system would see

01:05:35

the UDNs.

01:05:37

Gotcha.

01:05:38

Okay.

01:05:39

Thanks.

01:05:40

You know, Chris, in your presentation, you kind of briefly mentioned some

01:05:45

challenges

01:05:46

with IT, you know, communication.

01:05:48

Can you talk about that a little bit more, you know, specifically what some of

01:05:52

those challenges

01:05:53

were, whether it was, you know, setting it up between the booking station and C

01:05:56

ODIS?

01:05:57

What was happening there?

01:05:58

So, in the initial setup, we did have some challenges, and it was basically

01:06:06

sitting down

01:06:07

with the network guys and having them sit down with the FBI's, you know, rapid

01:06:14

DNA personnel

01:06:15

and letting them talk it out and figure out what needed to be done.

01:06:22

Everybody's got a vision of how things can work, but you can, you know, you can

01:06:25

get from

01:06:25

point A to, you know, get from A to Z by, you know, going a different route a

01:06:30

lot of

01:06:30

times.

01:06:31

And so, our networking group figured out what we needed to do to get it back to

01:06:41

, you know,

01:06:42

to the CODIS side.

01:06:45

And so, when they sat down and figured that one out, you know, we started

01:06:50

testing, and

01:06:51

it didn't go as planned.

01:06:52

You know, I was expecting to run out there and, you know, plop up, you know,

01:06:57

test CMF,

01:06:58

rapid CMF into the CODIS enrollment app and had it fired right away.

01:07:05

So, you know, after about 23 tries and doing some tracing and figuring out what

01:07:10

was going

01:07:10

on, we were able to get it operational.

01:07:13

You know, the next day, the network guys figured out exactly what was happening

01:07:18

and

01:07:18

to go reset a couple of key elements.

01:07:21

And it was, I would say relatively painless for us, but like I said, and then

01:07:29

if you've

01:07:30

got good subject matter experts that you can identify on how to get it from,

01:07:35

from here

01:07:35

to there, that's who you need to talk with.

01:07:38

Perfect.

01:07:39

Thank you.

01:07:40

Yeah, nothing.

01:07:41

I'm not going to show that a little bit too, you know, in Louisiana.

01:07:46

So, before rapid, you know, was really even thought of or putting that,

01:07:54

Louisiana has

01:07:55

been packaging up a file.

01:07:59

We laid it to that arrest DNA sample and sending that over to the state CODIS

01:08:06

laboratory.

01:08:07

And it was using, it's a direct state network.

01:08:13

So I know that IT, you know, subject matter experts in that state have

01:08:22

successfully made

01:08:23

that leak from those booking stations to the CODIS laboratory.

01:08:30

Okay.

01:08:31

Thank you, Johnny.

01:08:33

And we have another one for you here as we're running out of time, but here's

01:08:38

our last

01:08:39

one.

01:08:40

So, we have a couple of other, um, bookings stations are submitting offenders

01:08:43

for CODIS

01:08:43

today.

01:08:44

You have some idea?

01:08:47

So, are submitting rapid DNA?

01:08:51

Um, so no one is that.

01:08:56

Sorry, go ahead.

01:08:58

Yeah, I mean, so if we're just submitting offenders for CODIS today, like I

01:09:04

said, in Louisiana

01:09:05

alone, there's 140 booking stations, but for rapid DNA, right, as far as I'm

01:09:14

aware, no

01:09:15

one has received authority to operate to actually go live with that process.

01:09:22

We do anticipate that happening this year in 2021.

01:09:27

Okay.

01:09:28

Great.

01:09:29

Chris, anything to add there?

01:09:31

No, I think Johnny's right on that.

01:09:34

Unless something changed within the last couple of days, you know, the pallet

01:09:39

states were all,

01:09:40

we're all kind of in the same boat right now on trying to figure out the

01:09:45

elements of

01:09:46

the authority to operate.

01:09:47

Gotcha.

01:09:48

Okay.

01:09:49

Well, we'll look forward then to seeing that happen sometime this year in the

01:09:52

next coming

01:09:52

month.

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